KentStateTsi Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 If anyone else on CR reads this thread and decides not to engage in conversation.... ...are they being close-minded? Sorry. I was caught up in reading about a professor that was trying not to vomit when a soldier was given a first class seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC K9 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 If you standard of whether something is acceptable is whether Milo Yiannopoulos does it, maybe you should rethink some of your life choices. :dumb: I didn't say that my standard of acceptability was based on Milo's behavior or antics. I was told that trannys find the term "tranny" offensive, with the implication that all faggots are going to find the term "faggot" offensive. I merely pointed out that wasn't true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I didn't say that my standard of acceptability was based on Milo's behavior or antics. I was told that trannys find the term "tranny" offensive, with the implication that all faggots are going to find the term "faggot" offensive. I merely pointed out that wasn't true. Context has a lot to do with it as well. Coming from someone like Milo, who makes a living saying offensive things and thinks of himself as much a comedian and entertainer as a political pundit could probably get away with it. You on the other hand, probably can not. If you are trying to "win" an argument on the internet by just being a semantic wonk, well let's just say I wish you luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 The thing you have to keep in mind about Ben Shapiro is that he is an entertainer. He's not an expert on anything in particular, and almost all of what he says is literally just his opinion on things - not fact. That sounds like your opinion of Ben. I wouldn't call someone who travels to campuses around the country educating young people or at the very least engaging them in the discussion of social topics an "entertainer". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeitgeist57 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Now you are just being silly I wasn't. "Discretion is the better part of valor" 1. proverb it is better to avoid a dangerous situation than to confront it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 That sounds like your opinion of Ben. I wouldn't call someone who travels to campuses around the country educating young people or at the very least engaging them in the discussion of social topics an "entertainer". He is a radio show host, Podcaster, writes an editorial column, and has written several books based on his political opinion. Yes he is an entertainer. He is also a Lawyer, but his talks don't fall into the realm of legal practice. He thinks he's a journalist but I've read some of his stuff and it's all editorial which isn't actually "Reporting". As a general rule Opinion Editorial is entertainment, not journalism. Comedians also travel around to college campuses speaking to young people, often about social topics, do you not want to call them entertainers? Generally, discussions like this on college campuses, be it Dane Cook or Noam Chmosky, come out of the entertainment budget - you want to argue with the people writing the checks? do you not consider Bill O'riely, Rachel Madow, or Sean Hannity entertainers? They are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStowers023 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Words are so offensive. We really need to be careful to not use particular words that might hurt peoples feelings. God forbid those people grow a fucking pair and quit crying about a fucking word. I'm really glad that Transgender rights, bathroom policies and offensive words are the main topics of discussion in this country. Not the nearly $20 trillion in debt or the fact that a lot of our tax dollars are essentially flushed down the toilet. But let's keep letting the ones who yell the loudest decide what's important :thumbup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 "Discretion is the better part of valor" 1. proverb it is better to avoid a dangerous situation than to confront it. I agree, you can't be judged on what you don't put out into the world. Or as my grandpa used to say "there are just some things you ought to keep to yourself". When the Illinois Nazi's hold a rally, they don't cry that the Jews are being mean to them. The accept it and continue planning the 4th Reich. Why modern conservatives are so precious about how liberals judge the opinions they want to share publicly is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Words are so offensive. We really need to be careful to not use particular words that might hurt peoples feelings. God forbid those people grow a fucking pair and quit crying about a fucking word. you can be as offensive to people as you like. Just don't expect them to keep you employed, serve you in retail, or do anything nice for you if you want to be an asshole. Again, not being an asshole to people is kind of a life skill, don't know why people seem to want to go out of their way to just be assholes to other people with the expectation that those people shouldn't have a reaction or should still do things for them. Seems kinda entitled to me..... I'm really glad that Transgender rights, bathroom policies and offensive words are the main topics of discussion in this country. Not the nearly $20 trillion in debt or the fact that a lot of our tax dollars are essentially flushed down the toilet. But let's keep letting the ones who yell the loudest decide what's important :thumbup: If you voted for trump then you voted the people talking loudest about those issue into office. What do you want to say? most Americans are ill informed about politics and make bad choices? I'll agree to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStowers023 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 you can be as offensive to people as you like. Just don't expect them to keep you employed, serve you in retail, or do anything nice for you if you want to be an asshole. Again, not being an asshole to people is kind of a life skill, don't know why people seem to want to go out of their way to just be assholes to other people with the expectation that those people shouldn't have a reaction. If you voted for trump then you voted the people talking loudest about those issue into office. What do you want to say? most Americans are ill informed about politics and make bad choices? I'll agree to that. I'm not talking about being an asshole, I'm talking about the generation of pussies that are coming up. You can literally call me any word and it won't offend me. People need to grow thicker skin and stop throwing hissy fits about things that aren't important like referring to a transgender person as a "tranny." I think I have said this many times. I did not vote for Trump. I don't agree with everything Trump has done. I support Trump because he is the President just like I supported Obama while he was in office. I would rather call myself anti-socialist, so I am more against Bernie and Hillary than I am pro-Trump. We could go into this, but we will just run around in circles like we have for months now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miller Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 He is a radio show host, Podcaster, writes an editorial column, and has written several books based on his political opinion. Yes he is an entertainer. He is also a Lawyer, but his talks don't fall into the realm of legal practice. He thinks he's a journalist but I've read some of his stuff and it's all editorial which isn't actually "Reporting". As a general rule Opinion Editorial is entertainment, not journalism. Comedians also travel around to college campuses speaking to young people, often about social topics, do you not want to call them entertainers? Generally, discussions like this on college campuses, be it Dane Cook or Noam Chmosky, come out of the entertainment budget - you want to argue with the people writing the checks? do you not consider Bill O'riely, Rachel Madow, or Sean Hannity entertainers? They are. You like your facts a lot Geeto, I'll give you that. Ben visits these campuses with a repertoire of statistics and facts and he shares them with the kids. Whether they're actually true or not - I don't know - I would rather be wrong 10 times per day (and I often am) then live inside Google (I suspect you beat Google up). He supports the facts with his opinion. By the very definition his work would be called "public speaker" not an "entertainer". If I wrote a dissertation about cancer and added elements of anything remotely entertaining to keep my reader captive, is it entertainment? No, what you're doing is marginalizing Ben to an "entertainer" because a bunch of CR members seem to like him/his views and you clean your keyboard off with this stuff. You're fucking weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 I'm not talking about being an asshole, I'm talking about the generation of pussies that are coming up. You can literally call me any word and it won't offend me. People need to grow thicker skin and stop throwing hissy fits about things that aren't important like referring to a transgender person as a "tranny." I'm pretty sure judging people as "pussies" falls into that category of being an asshole. The secret is you aren't saying it to someone that would be offended by it at the moment. maybe (can't speak for some of the other members here). People have always gotten offended, Do you really think this new generation is any different from a previous one? The FCC exists in part to regulate "indecent" broadcasting. Millenials didn't invent the FCC - Those were those "pussies" who lived during the great depression. Or how about that giant pussy Joe McCarthy in the 40's and 50's who lead a witch hunt because he was offended by Communism? There used to be a time when you couldn't say "Fart" or Ass in polite company, now we say it on TV. You think this generation are a bunch of pussies? you should have seen how big a pussies your grandparents were. I think what you need to do is give up this superiority you have over the weak as if they are some how weaker than they have been in the past and try to focus on maybe being a good person. Wanna use Faggot, Tranny, or the N-bomb in your own home - go for it. Want to use it in public, well see my advice about not being an asshole. I think I have said this many times. I did not vote for Trump. I don't agree with everything Trump has done. I support Trump because he is the President just like I supported Obama while he was in office. I would rather call myself anti-socialist, so I am more against Bernie and Hillary than I am pro-Trump. We could go into this, but we will just run around in circles like we have for months now. You can still support the office of president without supporting the politician residing with in, has nobody explained that to you? Mostly it involves holding him accountable for the responsibilities in that office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStowers023 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 If you get offended by a word, you're a fucking pussy. I don't go around purposely trying to offend people but if I jokingly say retarded and someone gets offended and throws a fit and wants to call me an asshole, so be it. It's not going to ruin my day just like that word shouldn't ruin theirs. Most offensive words are taken out of context anyways. If I was going around calling black people the N word, #1 I'd be fucking stupid, #2 I'd get my ass kicked and #3 I'd definitely be an asshole. I don't do that though. I am genuinely nice to 99% of the people I interact with whether I know them or not regardless of race, sexual orientation or intelligence. Anyone that I'm a dick to gave me a reason to be. Here's one for ya, Kerry. You're by far the most smug person on this forum. You patronize members on here and spout off like you're some all-knowing entity and that your opinions are facts based on your own personal beliefs. Maybe you're not as smug in person, but you sir, come across as an asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 You can literally call me any word and it won't offend me. Same, but I'm a middle age straight white guy. Nobody's ever beat me up or threatened to disown me while calling me a or anything like that. People need to grow thicker skin and stop throwing hissy fits about things that aren't important like referring to a transgender person as a "tranny." Nobody in this thread has been offended or thrown a "hissy fit." I even explicitly said that RC K9 can keep using the word if he wants, but continuing to use it after being informed of its perception colors his character. That's it. I didn't get mad, or hurl insults, or stomp my feet. Honestly, I can't think of a tamer way to convey my feelings about the issue. Is even that ridiculously tame response too much for some people? Would that make them... I don't know if we're talking about some other specific example here, but years ago when I learned the vocabulary of the trans community it wasn't because people were offended, or crying, or whatever, it's because someone said "We prefer not to be called trannies," or something to that effect. But it doesn't matter how calmly or reasonably they make the request, a few games of telephone later and it gets twisted and exaggerated to some cartoonish example of millenials being thinned-skinned pussies. People should be allowed to have a preferred vocabulary. If someone says "I prefer to be called a 2nd amendment advocate instead of a 'gun nut'," I think that's a reasonable request and I will honor it. I'm not going to haul off about what a thin-skinned pussy they are, or continue to call them a gun nut and then act like the sky is falling when it annoys them. That doesn't mean that every such request is reasonable and must be granted, but in this case, I don't see what the big deal is. I think I have said this many times. I did not vote for Trump. I don't agree with everything Trump has done. I support Trump because he is the President just like I supported Obama while he was in office. I would rather call myself anti-socialist, so I am more against Bernie and Hillary than I am pro-Trump. We could go into this, but we will just run around in circles like we have for months now. One of the perks of being a libertarian is being able to walk down the middle and call both sides idiots from time to time. In the case of bathroom bills, it's the "family values" backed Republicans who are being the thin-skinned "big brother" idiots. Call them out on it, don't back up dolts like Ben Shapiro on this issue. It's OK to side with the liberals from time to time when they're obviously right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 You like your facts a lot Geeto, I'll give you that. thank you. I try. It's kind of you to notice. Ben visits these campuses with a repertoire of statistics and facts and he shares them with the kids. which he uses to support his opinion at the cost of ignoring other facts. He also mis-characterizes "facts" some times by saying something open to interpretation can only be interpreted as one way as fact. Whether they're actually true or not - I don't know - I would rather be wrong 10 times per day (and I often am) then live inside Google (I suspect you beat Google up). Ok, but then don't use the things he is saying as "fact" as an actual fact if you aren't going to verify it. He supports the facts with his opinion. You have that backwards. He is supposed to be supporting his opinion with facts. In this case he supports his opinion with facts he has selected, has omitted facts that might be critical of his opinion, and in some cases interpreted subjective things in support of his opinion and called them facts. By the very definition his work would be called "public speaker" not an "entertainer". Public Speakers who speak to a captive audience for money are a form of entertainment. If I wrote a dissertation about cancer and added elements of anything remotely entertaining to keep my reader captive, is it entertainment? Something you wrote is not public speaking. But let's take a look at this. If you wrote a Dissertation then you would have written it in support of candidature for an academic degree or professional qualification. Different Audience and different purpose. If you wrote an Opinion Editorial about cancer in the NY times in which you included a metric fuckton of facts you would still be writing something that is entertainment. No, what you're doing is marginalizing Ben to an "entertainer" because a bunch of CR members seem to like him/his views and you clean your keyboard off with this stuff. You're fucking weird. Dude is wealthy and has gotten so by being an entertainer. Hardly marginalizing. If you are looking at him like he is teaching you something new or novel about an issue - he isn't. Nothing he is saying hasn't already been said by someone else on the conservative side of this issue 100 times before. What makes people like him his he is entertaining to listen to. When he speaks publicly he isn't trying to win a debate competition, propose legislature, or gain some academic credit, he is entertaining an audience who came to hear what he had to say with his opinion and speaking style. He's playing to an audience, and he only fails if he fails to get a reaction. Am I attacking his credibility? no. You can be an entertainer and still be credible. Unless you are one of these people that thinks entertainers are only Hollywood elite. I'm pretty sure I called Noam Chomsky an entertainer also when he does public speaking engagements. His credibility is established by his CV and the work he does. His arguments are considered good if he can support them, and in this case he uses a lot of trained techniques to patch the holes he has in support of his opinion. In many ways he relies on the ignorance of the audience to help him along as well. You don't know this about me, but I coach both public speaking and debate in a professional setting. It isn't my job, I volunteer to do it within my company to help others who aren't as skilled in this area. You want to know why he sounds intelligent? It isn't what he says - it is because: - he doesn't swear - he doesn't say um or ah (or if he does it is very infrequent) - he doesn't use filler words - his speech is fluid and un-rehearsed - he modulates his voice to emphasis certain points - he is animated and uses body language effectively. He could read a cook book and sound smart using these techniques Wanna know why he is entertaining? Well a lot of the same as above plus - he makes jokes (and many of them are well written) - his quips are fast - he knows how to communicate confidence though his voice - he has good analogies, and references things that are relate-able to a broad audience including pop culture. - he structures his speech so it is easy to follow along and he hits his posts without too many asides - he manages the amount of conflict the audience is willing to tolerate and still be engaged very well. When they are excited by it he ramps up, when they start to get uncomfortable he diffuses it. Personally I think he could manage his smugness a little better but I can see how some people like it when he is being a dick to an audience member. These are all things that can be learned, and you don't have to go to Harvard to do it. All it takes is practice and a good coach. Take away all that stuff and what are you left with? The same dubious argument that everyone on the social conservative side of things has made for the last 50 years. I'm not saying you shouldn't like him. Hell I like him, I think he's 100 times better than anything conservatives have going on TV. I just think he's full of shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiek2000 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Here's one for ya, Kerry. You're by far the most smug person on this forum. You patronize members on here and spout off like you're some all-knowing entity and that your opinions are facts based on your own personal beliefs. Maybe you're not as smug in person, but you sir, come across as an asshole. QFT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 If you get offended by a word, you're a fucking pussy. I don't go around purposely trying to offend people but if I jokingly say retarded and someone gets offended and throws a fit and wants to call me an asshole, so be it. Well I think that speaks volumes to the measure of your character. Are you telling me that you wouldn't apologize to someone if you offended them and they confronted you about it? if you didn't you would get in a lot of fist fights. You say it below, you are genuinely nice so all this up here - yeah it's bullshit posturing. It's not going to ruin my day just like that word shouldn't ruin theirs. Most offensive words are taken out of context anyways. If I was going around calling black people the N word, #1 I'd be fucking stupid, #2 I'd get my ass kicked and #3 I'd definitely be an asshole. I don't do that though. I am genuinely nice to 99% of the people I interact with whether I know them or not regardless of race, sexual orientation or intelligence. Anyone that I'm a dick to gave me a reason to be. This is exactly my point. Only thing is apparently you think it's stupid to use N-bombs in public but not faggot or tranny. You recognize exactly that there is a public decorum for this stuff, it's just your dictionary is out of date. Here's one for ya, Kerry. You're by far the most smug person on this forum. You patronize members on here and spout off like you're some all-knowing entity and that your opinions are facts based on your own personal beliefs. Maybe you're not as smug in person, but you sir, come across as an asshole. meh....you're not even trying now. come one man, put your back into it. I'm just doing what everyone else here is doing, only thing that differs is the subject or my viewpoint. If you think I'm an asshole then clearly you were offended so....who is the pussy now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStowers023 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Well I think that speaks volumes to the measure of your character. Are you telling me that you wouldn't apologize to someone if you offended them and they confronted you about it? if you didn't you would get in a lot of fist fights. You say it below, you are genuinely nice so all this up here - yeah it's bullshit posturing. This is exactly my point. Only thing is apparently you think it's stupid to use N-bombs in public but not faggot or tranny. You recognize exactly that there is a public decorum for this stuff, it's just your dictionary is out of date. meh....you're not even trying now. come one man, put your back into it. I'm just doing what everyone else here is doing, only thing that differs is the subject or my viewpoint. If you think I'm an asshole then clearly you were offended so....who is the pussy now? lol just because I call you an asshole doesn't mean I'm offended. Like I said, try to offend me. Good luck. I don't let words offend me, especially from someone I don't even know. I'd suggest more people to adopt that. I used the N word as an example. I wouldn't go around calling people faggots either. I'm not advocating people doing this. Want to know what pisses me off? Looking at my paycheck and seeing the amount of the government takes out of my check while people get back $8k on their tax return that didn't pay $1 into the system. Don't get your panties in a bunch, Kerry. I know the government wastes money a lot of other ways too, I'm using welfare and government assistance as an example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStowers023 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 One of the perks of being a libertarian is being able to walk down the middle and call both sides idiots from time to time. In the case of bathroom bills, it's the "family values" backed Republicans who are being the thin-skinned "big brother" idiots. Call them out on it, don't back up dolts like Ben Shapiro on this issue. It's OK to side with the liberals from time to time when they're obviously right. I was pro gay marriage when it was an issue. I am pro-choice. I am pro legalization of marijuana. I think churches should pay taxes. There are a lot of left ideas/policies I support. I think anyone who sides with any certain politician on every issue can't think for themselves. I saw that mostly with Trump and Bernie supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 lol just because I call you an asshole doesn't mean I'm offended. Well I don't think you meant to do it in an endearing way like we are friends. Still you don't even see the hypocrisy of it all do you? Everyone in this thread is literally being an asshole to someone. Some are just trying harder than others. And I betcha more than a few don't think they are the asshole. When it comes to these conversations either everyone's the asshole or nobody is. Can't have it both ways. You want to have these types of conversations it comes with the territory. Like I said, try to offend me. Good luck. I don't let words offend me, especially from someone I don't even know. I'd suggest more people to adopt that Lots of people have adopted it, a lot more than there used to be anyway considering how much more is out in public. stop worrying so much about what other people do, focus on what you do. Want to know what pisses me off? Looking at my paycheck and seeing the amount of the government takes out of my check while people get back $8k on their tax return that didn't pay $1 into the system. Don't get your panties in a bunch, Kerry. I know the government wastes money a lot of other ways too, I'm using welfare and government assistance as an example. Because you are secretly conservative and don't want to admit it. Or at least conservative leaning. It's ok, I think of my self as free agent too but I tend to lean liberal on certain issues. Just be honest with yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStowers023 Posted March 30, 2017 Report Share Posted March 30, 2017 Well I don't think you meant to do it in an endearing way like we are friends. Still you don't even see the hypocrisy of it all do you? Everyone in this thread is literally being an asshole to someone. Some are just trying harder than others. And I betcha more than a few don't think they are the asshole. When it comes to these conversations either everyone's the asshole or nobody is. Can't have it both ways. You want to have these types of conversations it comes with the territory. Lots of people have adopted it, a lot more than there used to be anyway considering how much more is out in public. stop worrying so much about what other people do, focus on what you do. Because you are secretly conservative and don't want to admit it. Or at least conservative leaning. It's ok, I think of my self as free agent too but I tend to lean liberal on certain issues. Just be honest with yourself. Lmao who said I don't lean right? I learn far right and will admit it. You're the one who won't admit you lean way left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC K9 Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 For now, until otherwise stated, my proper pronoun will be "The Bearded Them." Being that I identify as multiple women right now, I wonder if I can win any bearded woman competitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 Edgy AND funny? Get this man an HBO special! Look out, comedy world! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC K9 Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 Edgy AND funny? Get this man an HBO special! Look out, comedy world! No, just the competition will do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStowers023 Posted March 31, 2017 Report Share Posted March 31, 2017 I'm sure all of the liberals and feminists will be happy when transgender females take over their sports like they're already starting to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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