LJ Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 What does this claim have to do with Urban leaving "toxic" Gainesville? The program has a horrid culture of kids that push the limits of the law and beyond over stupid shit. It's rough on every coach that coaches there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Sweet Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 The program has a horrid culture of kids that push the limits of the law and beyond over stupid shit. It's rough on every coach that coaches there. The "program" is the problem, or is it the kids said coaches choose to recruit? So you're blaming UF's culture? You do realize that UF is one of the top public schools in the country, and their code of conduct is much more strict than most other schools? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 The "program" is the problem, or is it the kids said coaches choose to recruit? So you're blaming UF's culture? You do realize that UF is one of the top public schools in the country, and their code of conduct is much more strict than most other schools? Seeing as how you are looking at 20+ years of problems, it's safe to say it's the culture of the program at this point. Everyone said it was the players Spurrier left, then Zook was the problem, then It was Urban, then it was still Urban's fault after he left when the same issues were happening with guys he didn't recruit. Now all his influence is gone and it's the same old story. The UF Football program has a major culture issue and no one seems to want to address it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Sweet Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 Seeing as how you are looking at 20+ years of problems, it's safe to say it's the culture of the program at this point. Everyone said it was the players Spurrier left, then Zook was the problem, then It was Urban, then it was still Urban's fault after he left when the same issues were happening with guys he didn't recruit. Now all his influence is gone and it's the same old story. The UF Football program has a major culture issue and no one seems to want to address it. LOL. News flash: the state of Florida produces some of the most talented high school football prospects in the country. The state also has a higher than normal rate of crime, particularly in many of the lower class areas many of these kids come from. This is why the big three in the state (UF, F$U, and Miami) have more arrests than schools like Indiana or whoever. Everyone in the country (including OSU) wants these talented Florida kids, and the big three in state have a built in recruiting advantage and they get more of them due to proximity, obviously. The difference is that UF actually holds their student athletes accountable for their actions, whereas Miami and especially F$U look the other way; F$U has the Tally PD in their back pocket and their corruption has been proven time and time again. UF Football does not have a culture problem. Spurrier's kids got in trouble from time to time, but it wasn't anything "toxic" that killed the team. Zook, Muschamp, and McElwain were bad head coaches, plain and simple. When guys like Cam Newton or Janoris Jenkins broke the rules, they got kicked off the team or kicked out of school. Most programs just look the other way. Look at Grant Perry, the Michigan WR who pled guilty to a felony arrest. He didn't get kicked off the team, didn't even get suspended. A felony arrest at UF doesn't get you suspended or kicked off the team, it gets you kicked the fuck out of school. That's the difference between UF and a lot of these other major programs, which is why it's just plain silly to suggest their culture is toxic. Nobody is blaming Urban for Muschamp/McElwain's recruits getting in trouble. Lastly, Urban didn't leave Gainesville because it was supposedly toxic; I kind of figured OSU was his end goal all along. The timing made sense for him to get out at UF when he did, and also to jump in at OSU when the Tressel stuff happened. That's the bottom line, life goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 LOL. News flash: the state of Florida produces some of the most talented high school football prospects in the country. The state also has a higher than normal rate of crime, particularly in many of the lower class areas many of these kids come from. This is why the big three in the state (UF, F$U, and Miami) have more arrests than schools like Indiana or whoever. Everyone in the country (including OSU) wants these talented Florida kids, and the big three in state have a built in recruiting advantage and they get more of them due to proximity, obviously. The difference is that UF actually holds their student athletes accountable for their actions, whereas Miami and especially F$U look the other way; F$U has the Tally PD in their back pocket and their corruption has been proven time and time again. UF Football does not have a culture problem. Spurrier's kids got in trouble from time to time, but it wasn't anything "toxic" that killed the team. Zook, Muschamp, and McElwain were bad head coaches, plain and simple. When guys like Cam Newton or Janoris Jenkins broke the rules, they got kicked off the team or kicked out of school. Most programs just look the other way. Look at Grant Perry, the Michigan WR who pled guilty to a felony arrest. He didn't get kicked off the team, didn't even get suspended. A felony arrest at UF doesn't get you suspended or kicked off the team, it gets you kicked the fuck out of school. That's the difference between UF and a lot of these other major programs, which is why it's just plain silly to suggest their culture is toxic. Nobody is blaming Urban for Muschamp/McElwain's recruits getting in trouble. Lastly, Urban didn't leave Gainesville because it was supposedly toxic; I kind of figured OSU was his end goal all along. The timing made sense for him to get out at UF when he did, and also to jump in at OSU when the Tressel stuff happened. That's the bottom line, life goes on. You just explained why it IS toxic and tough for a coach to not have a meltdown over it. It's a culture problem, inside AND outside the program. The kids from the state of Florida are high in talent but also high in problems. Im also preeeeetty sure there are beat writers for UF that STILL blame Urban Meyer for UF's problems. You can toot your horn about UF kicking them put when they get into trouble, that doesn't make it any easier or less stressful on a coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Sweet Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 You just explained why it IS toxic and tough for a coach to not have a meltdown over it. It's a culture problem, inside AND outside the program. The kids from the state of Florida are high in talent but also high in problems. Im also preeeeetty sure there are beat writers for UF that STILL blame Urban Meyer for UF's problems. You can toot your horn about UF kicking them put when they get into trouble, that doesn't make it any easier or less stressful on a coach. A couple of the UF beat writers are shit stirring twat waffles, plain and simple. No argument here. Spurrier didn't seem to have any trouble dealing with the stress. Not only was he very successful his whole tenure, he is still worshiped in Gainesville and will forever be looked at as a God by Florida fans. Meyer didn't bolt because there was a "culture problem" IMO. Zook was way under qualified, Muschamp was completely incompetent when it came to offense, and McElwain was arrogant and lazy. I didn't think the offense could get any worse after Muschamp, but McElwain proved me wrong. All Florida needs is another good coach and they will be back where they need to be. They will have their pick of the litter (likely Scott Frost) because the head football coach at UF is still one of the best jobs in the country. So, yeah, I don't think there's any culture program there whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Nice Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 I'm glad we got exploited though. The last thing I wanted was to get back to the playoffs and get completely humiliated again. It's really disheartening to see teams with this much talent (the last 3 years) fail to meet expectations and show up to big games. It has to fall back on coaching. No, I'm not saying Urban is on any sort of hot seat or even a warm seat, but he seems to have lost his edge. I agree. It's almost like what Alabama did in the first ever playoffs. Poor Saban. To answer your question, I think we should still expect to win the B1G and play a top 8 team in a NY6 bowl. Although I wouldn't be surprised if we lose 1 more game and then lose our bowl game and finish with 4 losses. Likely scenario. How soon til urban leaves? That's his Mo. Has. Really great year or two and then can't get back to that and decides he needs a break Since you like facts so much, here's some winning percentages: 1 Knute Rockne .8811 Notre Dame 2 Frank Leahy .8643 Notre Dame 3 Urban Meyer .8473 Ohio State 4 Barry Switzer .8368 Oklahoma 5 Tom Osborne .8355 Nebraska 6 Fielding Yost .8333 Michigan 8 Bob Neyland .8287 Tennessee 9 Jim Tressel .8281 Ohio State 10 Bud Wilkinson .8258 Oklahoma 11 Chris Petersen .8247 Boise State 12 Percy Haughton .8171 Harvard 13 Jock Sutherland .8118 Pitt 14 Frank Thomas .8116 Alabama 15 Bob Devaney .8064 Nebraska 16 George Woodruff .8032 Pennsylvania 17 Bob Stoops .7983 Oklahoma 18 Henry Williams .7850 Minnesota 19 Nick Saban .7811 Alabama 20 Fred Folsom .7806 Colorado 21 Bear Bryant .7800 Alabama 22 Bo Schembechler .7752 Michigan 23 Andy Smith .7712 California 24 Dabo Swinney .7698 Clemson 25 Fritz Crisler .7675 Michigan As far as Gainesville, all I can say is that from my fam who lived there a good portion of their lives, they left gladly. I have no personal experience though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 A couple of the UF beat writers are shit stirring twat waffles, plain and simple. No argument here. Spurrier didn't seem to have any trouble dealing with the stress. Not only was he very successful his whole tenure, he is still worshiped in Gainesville and will forever be looked at as a God by Florida fans. Meyer didn't bolt because there was a "culture problem" IMO. Zook was way under qualified, Muschamp was completely incompetent when it came to offense, and McElwain was arrogant and lazy. I didn't think the offense could get any worse after Muschamp, but McElwain proved me wrong. All Florida needs is another good coach and they will be back where they need to be. They will have their pick of the litter (likely Scott Frost) because the head football coach at UF is still one of the best jobs in the country. So, yeah, I don't think there's any culture program there whatsoever. I mean, coaches can go there and make their millions and last their average 3.75 seasons and get canned but make millions in the process. More power to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Sweet Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 I mean, coaches can go there and make their millions and last their average 3.75 seasons and get canned but make millions in the process. More power to them. Bad coaches get canned. Look at Tennessee. I guess Knoxville is toxic too, huh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 (edited) Yenner stats that really count and to be remembered Nick saban 5 nc wins and 7 sec titles Bear Bryant 6 nc wins and 14 sec titles Urban Meyer 3 nc and 3 conference titles Jim tressel 1 nc and 6 conference titles. You can quote and try to make statement by winning percentage but national titles and conference championships mean way more Urban has also coached 76 less games then saban as a head coach. Edited November 7, 2017 by Lauren Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTaylor751647545500 Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Gators stuff How are those boards holding up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Sweet Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 How are those boards holding up? Still looking as good as the day I picked them up from your house They spend most of their time hanging on the wall, but they sure look good there..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimTaylor751647545500 Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 Still looking as good as the day I picked them up from your house They spend most of their time hanging on the wall, but they sure look good there..... Nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStowers023 Posted November 7, 2017 Report Share Posted November 7, 2017 I used to have some sweet Ohio State cornhole boards. High quality stuff, but had to give them to my neighbors because I had no storage in my new apartment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Nice Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 You can quote and try to make statement by winning percentage but national titles and conference championships mean way more. That's an opinion and I respect that you have said opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
01sentrase2.0 Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Yenner stats that really count and to be remembered Nick saban 5 nc wins and 7 sec titles Bear Bryant 6 nc wins and 14 sec titles Urban Meyer 3 nc and 3 conference titles Jim tressel 1 nc and 6 conference titles. You can quote and try to make statement by winning percentage but national titles and conference championships mean way more Urban has also coached 76 less games then saban as a head coach. So based on stats, 76 less games coached is roughly 5 less seasons. 5 more chances to win conference title and nc. I would understand your case more if urban had coached roughly 5 more seasons than saban. Winning percentage does matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lauren Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 You are talking a couple hundreds of a Percent difference. Not a drastic difference with still one coach who has won twice as many NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Nice Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 So based on stats, 76 less games coached is roughly 5 less seasons. 5 more chances to win conference title and nc. I would understand your case more if urban had coached roughly 5 more seasons than saban. Winning percentage does matter. Do not logic with Lauren in regards to NCAAF. It doesn't work. He also won't admit defeat. See back a few pages. You are talking a couple hundreds of a Percent difference. Not a drastic difference with still one coach who has won twice as many NC 3x2=5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStowers023 Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Urban is also 13 years younger than Saban. That's not to say Saban could coach till he's 80 and Urban could retire when he's 60, but it's likely Urban will coach more total games as a HC than Saban. Are you gonna knock Urban for that? I think the only fair comparison will be when both coaches are retired and you can make a fair argument for each given all the variables. Right now I'd give the edge to Saban though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigbird Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Home team hasn't won OSU-MSU since 2007, I'm ready to go full blackout Saturday afternoon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStowers023 Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Home team hasn't won OSU-MSU since 2007, I'm ready to go full blackout Saturday afternoon... If OSU loses Saturday I'm for sure taking next Saturday off against Illinois. I guess I'll watch the scUM game regardless... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted November 8, 2017 Report Share Posted November 8, 2017 Yenner stats that really count and to be remembered Nick saban 5 nc wins and 7 sec titles Bear Bryant 6 nc wins and 14 sec titles Urban Meyer 3 nc and 3 conference titles Jim tressel 1 nc and 6 conference titles. You can quote and try to make statement by winning percentage but national titles and conference championships mean way more Urban has also coached 76 less games then saban as a head coach. Sooo....Big Ten tougher than SEC. Got it. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otis Nice Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Sooo....Big Ten tougher than SEC. Got it. Thanks. :lolguy: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbospec29 Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Still looking as good as the day I picked them up from your house They spend most of their time hanging on the wall, but they sure look good there..... What are you using to hang them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 Sweet Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 What are you using to hang them? Large utility "J" hooks from Lowes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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