Political Fart Noise Part II

[Geeto67]

I just like it when the opponent spends 4.5x on the campaign and loses

 

check your figures

 

O'Connor spending:

Personal $2.4 Million

DCCC $700,000

DNC; $300,000

Local Dem party: $100,000

Total: $3,500,000

 

Balderson Spending:

Personal: $600,000

RNCC: $1.4M

CLF PAC: $2.7M

Total: $4.7M

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/live-updates/midterms/live-primary-election-results/ohio-12th-democrat-oconnor-holds-15-point-lead-over-republican-balderson/?utm_term=.858959789127

 

by comparison Tiberi spent $1.9M on a race that was so decidedly his that his opponent spent $22,000 just to lose.

 

Balderson spent less personally because the RNC is spending like crazy right now to stem the "blue wave" and at least in ohio it's working. the CLF PAC is Paul Ryan's superPAC and it had no problem spending a lot of money on a seat that could have been seen as a symbolic victory for democrats, because of how long republicans have been squatting in the seat. Honestly I wish Balderson had spent less than O'connor because then it wouldn't be a close race - O'connor would have buried him. As it stands the old adage is true - you have to spend more to win.

[CRed05]

Here we go

 

 

Alex Jones is just the tip of the iceberg. Labeling someone like Crowder 'extreme'

[oh8sti]

The “blue wave” is more like a ripple. It’s a group of disgruntled dems/libs that would shit in their own mouth in hopes that a republican will smell it.

 

See what I did there?

[greg1647545532]

Not really

[Geeto67]

Here we go

 

 

Alex Jones is just the tip of the iceberg. Labeling someone like Crowder 'extreme'

 

He's not "extreme" in his views so much as he is another source of consistently false information which can be looked at as a different form of "extremeism".

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/louder-with-crowder/

https://www.snopes.com/tag/steven-crowder/

https://www.snopes.com/tag/louder-with-crowder/

 

I get that no media pundit doing opinion commentary is completely bias free or accurate, but come on...why are conservatives so accepting of such complete charlatans?

 

Steven Crowder is entertaining to watch but part of what makes it entertaining is it's laughably ridiculous on a fundamental level.

[TTQ B4U]

Sounds like Jim Jordan aided and abetted a pedophile and rapist while he was a coach at OSU - yeah sounds like a stand up guy by conservative standards. He's not actually under a formal investigation or indictment, just OSU's internal investigation, so he'll never be "cleared" of anything.

 

So the reality is he really has nothing to be "cleared" from other than in the court of public opinion. That's what I thought.

 

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[Supplicium]

check your figures

 

O'Connor spending:

Personal $2.4 Million

DCCC $700,000

DNC; $300,000

Local Dem party: $100,000

Total: $3,500,000

 

Balderson Spending:

Personal: $600,000

RNCC: $1.4M

CLF PAC: $2.7M

Total: $4.7M

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/live-updates/midterms/live-primary-election-results/ohio-12th-democrat-oconnor-holds-15-point-lead-over-republican-balderson/?utm_term=.858959789127

 

by comparison Tiberi spent $1.9M on a race that was so decidedly his that his opponent spent $22,000 just to lose.

 

Balderson spent less personally because the RNC is spending like crazy right now to stem the "blue wave" and at least in ohio it's working. the CLF PAC is Paul Ryan's superPAC and it had no problem spending a lot of money on a seat that could have been seen as a symbolic victory for democrats, because of how long republicans have been squatting in the seat. Honestly I wish Balderson had spent less than O'connor because then it wouldn't be a close race - O'connor would have buried him. As it stands the old adage is true - you have to spend more to win.

 

Local news had personal spending 500k v 2.25m either way he took a bath. If the ole adage is true then what happened to Hillary v Trump? She crushed him on money raised and spent

[BStowers023]

If lunatic liberals were being censored for pushing socialism the push back would be outrageous. Pushing an ideology that has killed millions is okay but bashing the same ideology or an ideology like Islam that has also killed millions is considered "hate."

 

It's okay, the Kerry's and Greg's of the world are just helping Trump win again in 2020. Keep bashing everyone and isolating yourselves. Please please please keep it up so we can have 8 years of Trump

[CRed05]

He's not "extreme" in his views so much as he is another source of consistently false information which can be looked at as a different form of "extremeism".

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/louder-with-crowder/

https://www.snopes.com/tag/steven-crowder/

https://www.snopes.com/tag/louder-with-crowder/

 

 

Not a lot of info there...but the first link on snopes comes back as 'True'.

 

I get that no media pundit doing opinion commentary is completely bias free or accurate, but come on...why are conservatives so accepting of such complete charlatans?

 

Steven Crowder is entertaining to watch but part of what makes it entertaining is it's laughably ridiculous on a fundamental level.

 

 

And that's why I'm against all this. We're trying to enforce regulation and shit based on feelings. The left was to blame for Trump being in the white house, and I feel like I'm now being forced to defend a fuckhead like Alex Jones.

 

Speaking of bias, that very Vox video edited clips from these "extremists" to say things out of context that are completely factual, to sound like crazy racists.

[greg1647545532]

Fuck Vox. They suck.

 

Happy?

[Geeto67]

So the reality is he really has nothing to be "cleared" from other than in the court of public opinion. That's what I thought.

 

No, the OSU investigation could still say there is evidence he knew and didn't act, there is just may be no penalty because the statute of limitations might have run on him being charged criminally or sued civilly. So basically he could have aided and abetted a pedophile rapist and won't pay society for it because he beat the clock. Not serving time for a crime committed doesn't magically transmute you into a good person.

 

If the ole adage is true then what happened to Hillary v Trump? She crushed him on money raised and spent

 

I don't think there is any amount of money that can fix the cultural misogyny problem in this country. Plus, there are exceptions to every rule.

 

 

If lunatic liberals were being censored for pushing socialism the push back would be outrageous. Pushing an ideology that has killed millions is okay but bashing the same ideology or an ideology like Islam that has also killed millions is considered "hate."

 

1) you are speculating. This country has a long history of censoring socalisim and the pushback wasn't as outrageous as you somehow think it would be. It's only just recently (like the last 5-10 years) become socially acceptable to discuss socialism or communism in polite conversation thanks to the cold war, mccarthyism, the FBI persecutions, and state sponsored propiganda. I get that I have pairs of pants in my closet older than you so you mised living through the cold war, but this is what a good education in history would teach you. It would also teach you that yes, extremist positions on both sides generally get socially censored. It is not ok for anybody to preach hate and advocate violence against innocent people on both sides and Alex Jones is just more proof that society doesn't really tolerate that noise and does it without government intervention.

 

2) Let's be clear about something - Alex Jones isn't pushing an alternative political theory like socialism. He's not pushing an ideology and calling for a rethinking about political theory. He is openly lying about specific things he presents as facts with the end goal of inciting action by his followers. Saying the democrats run a child sex ring isn't an ideology, it's not political theory, the fear mongering.

 

3) If you think the sole purpose of an ideology of Islam is to spread hate then you are bigoted and ignorant. By your definition Christianity, Judaism, hell even Buddhism are all ideologies of hate because they have been misrepresented and misused by people to perform hateful acts. Human nature being what it is, you will always find people exploiting religion for selfish and ugly ends, it's just an absolutely ignorant position to judge the religion based on it's worst actors.

 

It's okay, the Kerry's and Greg's of the world are just helping Trump win again in 2020. Keep bashing everyone and isolating yourselves. Please please please keep it up so we can have 8 years of Trump

 

Calling out your particular brand or ignorance, or pointing out someone is actively and openly lying is isn't bashing or isolating everybody. But you genuinely should feel ashamed for some of the views you openly share publicly with the world because they are objectively bigoted. Calling an entire religion an ideology of hate is an objectively bigoted statement. If you don't like the label, then maybe make an effort to improve yourself through knowledge. But I don't have to accept or respect it or you for being comfortable with bigotry, and I am frankly done with being polite to you about it.

Edited August 8, 2018 by Geeto67

[BStowers023]

I don't think there is any amount of money that can fix the cultural misogyny problem in this country.

 

Seems like the most hated people in this country today are straight white males.

[Geeto67]

 

And that's why I'm against all this. We're trying to enforce regulation and shit based on feelings. The left was to blame for Trump being in the white house, and I feel like I'm now being forced to defend a fuckhead like Alex Jones.

 

Speaking of bias, that very Vox video edited clips from these "extremists" to say things out of context that are completely factual, to sound like crazy racists.

 

I think the underlying point in all of this is that Infowars was objectively lying and misrepresenting statements of facts to an unsavory end. That's not feelings, that's dis-information. It doesn't hurt that a lot of people also have feelings against him stemming from those mis-representations, but at the core of all of this is lies.

 

Again, this is the ugly side of the free market that "free market people" don't like to think about - mob mentality. Piss off enough people with hate mongering and lies and they get tired of your bull shit.

 

Nobody is forcing you to defend Alex Jones. If you have a good moral reason to defend him then by all means do it. I just haven't heard any one yet. If we were just talking about Alex Jones opinions, I think you would have a stronger argument, but we aren't - he lies about facts to support his opinions, Crowder lies about facts to support his opinions, and that is the rub.

 

Not that I think Vox is credible, but I don't think anybody has to work that hard these days to make conservative pundits sound racist.

[Geeto67]

Seems like the most hated people in this country today are straight white males.

 

I don't think that is true, unless you want to count the mere existence of minorities, gays, and women as an affront to your straight, white, maleness.

 

But assuming that it is, do you think it is entirely undeserved? How much do you know about history?

 

Seeing white manhood as under siege is a very "white supremacist" view point. A lot of people are really just looking for equality, not supremacy, and if you feel like people's call for equality is an attack on your existing supremacy - well... I don't know what to tell you. Fits your other opinions about Islam though since White supremacist organizations are usually christian organizations.

[BStowers023]

I don't think that is true, unless you want to count the mere existence of minorities, gays, and women as an affront to your straight, white, maleness.

 

But assuming that it is, do you think it is entirely undeserved? How much do you know about history?

 

Seeing white manhood as under siege is a very "white supremacist" view point. A lot of people are really just looking for equality, not supremacy, and if you feel like people's call for equality is an attack on your existing supremacy - well... I don't know what to tell you. Fits your other opinions about Islam though since White supremacist organizations are usually christian organizations.

 

Not a religious guy personally. I'm not exactly sure what advantages I've had growing up when specifically referring to my orientation, sex and race. What opportunities do I have that people of color, orientation or sex do not have? Please be specific here.

[Geeto67]

I'm not exactly sure what advantages I've had growing up when specifically referring to my orientation, sex and race. What opportunities do I have that people of color, orientation or sex do not have? Please be specific here.

 

How often were you hassled by the police when you were just driving around?

https://openpolicing.stanford.edu/findings/

 

How likely were you to be tazed/shot by the police when you were stopped?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/do-police-kill-more-whites-than-black-people/

 

How much easier was it to find a job?

https://www.nber.org/papers/w9873.pdf

 

how hard was it for you to open a bank account or get a credit card?

https://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/race-age-gender-statistics.php

 

How hard was it for you to get hired for what you were worth?

https://www.aauw.org/aauw_check/pdf_download/show_pdf.php?file=The-Simple-Truth

 

I mean...this is just the low hanging fruit, there are so many different metrics we could discuss.

[BStowers023]

And absolutely no variables in any of those situations. Every black person shot by a cop was only shot because they were black. Every man hired by a company was only hired because they were a man. Etc. etc.

[greg1647545532]

Seems like the most hated people in this country today are straight white males.

 

That's not why people hate you.

[BStowers023]

That's not why people hate you.

 

I don't know anyone personally that hates me.

[CRed05]

How often were you hassled by the police when you were just driving around?

https://openpolicing.stanford.edu/findings/

 

Do blacks not commit more crime than any other race? [Google it]

 

How likely were you to be tazed/shot by the police when you were stopped?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/do-police-kill-more-whites-than-black-people/

 

See above

 

How much easier was it to find a job?

https://www.nber.org/papers/w9873.pdf

 

This specific study is based on names that "don't sound white" or foreign. In other words, hard for Americans to pronounce. I'd like to throw my last name in that mix and I'm willing to bet I fall in the no callback pile.

 

how hard was it for you to open a bank account or get a credit card?

https://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/race-age-gender-statistics.php

 

Do black people not tend to have shittier credit and lower income? [Google it]

 

How hard was it for you to get hired for what you were worth?

https://www.aauw.org/aauw_check/pdf_download/show_pdf.php?file=The-Simple-Truth

 

Women's pay growth stop outpacing men around age 30, when they just so happen to start families. Throw sports in the mix, and we can talk about how female athletes just don't generate the revenue.

 

https://cdn-payscale.com/content/PS_Gender_Infographic_625.png

[greg1647545532]

I don't know anyone personally that hates me.

 

Best kind of martyrdom then. The imaginary kind where you don't have to actually suffer anything.

[BStowers023]

Best kind of martyrdom then. The imaginary kind where you don't have to actually suffer anything.

 

Because I don't actually think any group is hated like the left wants us to think. I think there certainly are groups of people who hate (very small percentage) but it's not limited to just females, gays or minorities. For example I'd say there are an equal amount (percentage wise) of black people who hate white people as white people who hate black people.

[Geeto67]

Do blacks not commit more crime than any other race? [Google it]

 

That is a very simple question with a very complex answer, but if you want a simple answer then: No they don't COMMIT more crime.

 

They do however get arrested for more crimes, get wrongfully convicted for more crimes, get penalized more heavily in the system during sentencing, get forced to take unfair plea deals more often, get pulled into repeat offender status more often, and generally raked over the coals more.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School-to-prison_pipeline

 

 

 

This specific study is based on names that "don't sound white" or foreign. In other words, hard for Americans to pronounce. I'd like to throw my last name in that mix and I'm willing to bet I fall in the no callback pile.

 

Page 10, footnote 31: These statistical tests assume independence of callbacks. We have however verified that the results stay significant when

we assume that the callbacks are correlated either at the employer or first name level.

 

Pahe 20, footnote 49: We formally tested whether this variation was significant by estimating a probit regression of the callback dummy on all

the personal first names, allowing for clustering of the observations at the employment ad level

 

Also see page 39 and 40 where they published statistics by First name.

 

I hate to tell you, but your last name won't make as much of a difference as your first name. Please do me a favor and actually read the study before jumping to conclusions.

 

Do black people not tend to have shittier credit and lower income? [Google it]

 

My assertion is that black people have shittier credit, and that is due to racial bias inherit in the system Your comment here is just restating what I said.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/12/how-algorithms-can-bring-down-minorities-credit-scores/509333/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/13/your-credit-score-is-racist-heres-why

 

Women's pay growth stop outpacing men around age 30, when they just so happen to start families. Throw sports in the mix, and we can talk about how female athletes just don't generate the revenue.

 

https://cdn-payscale.com/content/PS_Gender_Infographic_625.png

 

That chart you posted tracks growth but not actual net earnings. Growth might still be the same and net earnings be differential. In other words they may still be paid less then men, but their wages increase at the same percentage rate. In most cases when women's earning potential is extrapolated to exclude the age 30 drop off, women still come up short of men.

 

Let me ask you this: Do you think White Privilege exists in America?

If yes, then we are just debating to what shade and what root cause. In the case of Brandon, based on what he posts, I don't think he believes it exists at all, which is what prompted the post you are replying to. It's one thing to debate the severity of a known problem, it's another entirely to debate it's existence. based on your comments before about living in South Africa, I belive you think it exists, but base on ones you make here I am not so sure now.

Edited August 8, 2018 by Geeto67

[Geeto67]

I don't know anyone personally that hates me.

 

do you hang out with people that hate you? I would assume no.

 

Because I don't actually think any group is hated like the left wants us to think.

 

Can you clarify this statement please? because it sounds like you are saying hate groups are a liberal invention.

 

 

I think there certainly are groups of people who hate (very small percentage) but it's not limited to just females, gays or minorities.

 

I think you need to parse out something here. When Progressives talk about institutional racism, they aren't talking about active hatred. Maybe at one point these things were driven by hate, but those people are dead. What is more problematic is that there are people that are apathetic to making the changes to remove that institutional racism, or they just don't believe it exists because of lack of knowledge or wilful blindness due to inconsistency with personal views. That's not hatred, but it's still a problem and one that gets called out constantly. There are people who take this call out as a form of pointing out hatred, when it may in fact lack the intent to be hurtful. Still...being too stupid to be racist doesn't feel like a good excuse.

 

If you are an affected individual, and you hear people talking about how they aren't going to address a problem you know exists because they refuse to believe it exists - it can certainly look and feel like hatred, and even in some cases it can actually be that because white supremacy has had about 100 years of practice in disguising some really ugly racist policy as benign.

 

If you want to gauge intent, a good indicator is how much someone is willing to lie about something, to willfully distort the truth, in support of their message. In the case of Alex Jones - the answer is a lot.

 

For example I'd say there are an equal amount (percentage wise) of black people who hate white people as white people who hate black people.

 

I don't know that there is an "equal" amount even percentage wise due to historical support for the clan and suppression of black nationalism by the us government, but sure those groups do exist. The secret here is power. Clans men held political power at the highest offices in the country for over a century (and even in my lifetime, maybe yours), and wrote laws and government policy that in a lot of cases are still in force today doing what was intended. Black Nationalists have had no such power to oppress white people. What are they going to do? not sell us the drugs that the us government sold to them in the first place? Black Nationalists can't secretly and legally inject white people with Syphilis like white Supremacists in the US government did to poor black alabama farmers. That's the big difference here - it's not how many, it's who had the power and what can be done with it.

Edited August 8, 2018 by Geeto67

[greg1647545532]

Because I don't actually think any group is hated like the left wants us to think. I think there certainly are groups of people who hate (very small percentage) but it's not limited to just females, gays or minorities. For example I'd say there are an equal amount (percentage wise) of black people who hate white people as white people who hate black people.

 

Interesting. I have a couple questions the

 

1) If this is such a small problem in America, so small in fact that you've never been personally affected despite being a member of the most affected group, the data to back your proclamation that white men are the most affected group must be very precise. Can you point me to it?

 

2) If this is such a small problem in America, so small in fact that you've never been personally affected despite being a member of the most affected group, then why should anyone give a shit? Why do you keep bringing it up?