cdk 4219 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 It is petty to hear pro-Trump people wanting to talk about Mueller’s investigation, now that its released going “L@@K DUMB LIBERALS! NO INDICTMENTS MEANS EVERYTHING’S FINE!!!1!!” The fact that the investigation legitimately happened is shame enough.[/quote Almost 2 years of msnbc, CNN, nightly news and other media solely reporting with their breaking news.Collusion, criminal,tampering, and other things are all I have heard. Who the hell would want to run this country with all the nonsense, only going to get someone that lifetime politicians allow, which is a big problem. Get to work doing what you are supposed to be doing and attempt properly run the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 Almost 2 years of msnbc, CNN, nightly news and other media solely reporting with their breaking news.Collusion, criminal,tampering, and other things are all I have heard. Who the hell would want to run this country with all the nonsense, only going to get someone that lifetime politicians allow, which is a big problem. Get to work doing what you are supposed to be doing and attempt properly run the country. Can you imagine Obama trying to run the country with a whole bunch of people demanding his long form birth certificate to prove his citizenship, demanding his college transcripts to prove that he wasn't a fraud, etc? Who would want that job, indeed. Of course, one person's "the media is just holding our leadership accountable" is another's witch hunt. It's almost like people don't have as much of a principled view of things as they'd like to believe, and instead just fall back on partisan lines. Case in point, public servant Hillary Clinton, who served her country as a US senator and secretary of state, had to endure no fewer than 17 Benghazi investigations (that all came up empty) and a prolonged investigation into her handling of government emails (which also came up empty). I assume you also think it's unfair that she had to put up with all that BS instead of just being allowed to do the job she was elected/appointed to do. If that's the case, then Republicans haven't gotten the memo, as just this weekend Sen Lindsay Graham, Trump's current favorite ball-fondler, was calling for MORE investigations of private citizen Hillary Clinton as the crowd at Mar-a-Lago chanted "lock her up!" Did I do it? Did I point out partisan hypocrisy!? Internet points, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStowers023 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 It is petty to hear pro-Trump people wanting to talk about Mueller’s investigation, now that its released going “L@@K DUMB LIBERALS! NO INDICTMENTS MEANS EVERYTHING’S FINE!!!1!!” The fact that the investigation legitimately happened is shame enough. The fact that an investigation legitimately happened is absolutely a shame. Just not for the reason you think it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 The fact that an investigation legitimately happened is absolutely a shame. Just not for the reason you think it is. Even though it resulted in criminals sent to jail and their assets rightfully seized for the US taxpayer? Do you want to set the criminals free and give them the money back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BStowers023 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 Even though it resulted in criminals sent to jail and their assets rightfully seized for the US taxpayer? Do you want to set the criminals free and give them the money back? How much did it cost the US taxpayers over 2 years? Was the ultimate purpose of the investigation to put those people in jail or put Trump in jail? Was the investigation a success? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 How much did it cost the US taxpayers over 2 years? It cost negative dollars. The investigation MADE MONEY for the US taxpayer. Was the ultimate purpose of the investigation to put those people in jail or put Trump in jail? The ultimate purpose of the investigation was very clear and was stated in the SC appointment letter. It was to determine if there were "Any links and/or coordination between the Russian government and individuals associated with the campaign of President Donald Trump," and "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation." Are the people in jail as a direct result of matters that arose from the investigation? The answer is yes, they are, therefore putting them in jail was the ultimate purpose of the investigation. Was the investigation a success? I don't see how you can view it any other way, unless you're pro-crime and don't like the US government getting free money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 I should point out that this is all BEFORE we even know what it's in the special counsel's report to the AG, which nobody knows at this point (and yet people are already declaring it a "no collusion" victory), and that it's highly likely that the special counsel has referred other crimes to other jurisdictions and that those indictments are likely already written and are simply sealed at this point in time. In short, the investigation is undeniably a success and we're not even done reaping it's fruits yet. ETA: Now, if you want to bitch about how the liberal media's breathless reporting of every new development was and continues to be really, really fucking annoying, and that there's no way the sum total output of the Russia investigations can ever live up to the hype, then have at it. I would agree with all of that. But to say that the investigation is a waste, or that Trump hasn't been revealed to be a seriously slimy, dirty motherfucker through all of this is to deny reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh8sti Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 Im happy to see what the AG says in the next 24h or so. Im also open minded enough to say if Trump did anything wrong, he should face the consequences. Unfortunately for the left, there is truth and fact that will drive the outcome of this investigation, not feelings of hate toward trump. lets see what it says and then discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 Im happy to see what the AG says in the next 24h or so. The next 24 hours would be nice but I'm not holding my breath for anything Im also open minded enough to say if Trump did anything wrong, he should face the consequences. Unfortunately for the left, there is truth and fact that will drive the outcome of this investigation, not feelings of hate toward trump. This is somewhat unrelated but what are your feelings about the Donald J Trump foundation? On June 14, 2018, New York Attorney General Barbara Underwood filed a civil lawsuit against the foundation as well as Trump himself and Trump's three adult children, Ivanka, Eric, and Donald Jr., alleging "persistently illegal conduct" with respect to the foundation's money The organization has since been forced to dissolve, the 4 principals named (Trump and 3 of his children) have been prohibited from running or sitting on the board of a charity in NY for 10 years, and the investigations are still ongoing. Running a sham charity is a despicable thing to do, and it would have ruined any conventional politician's career. Do you approve of people running sham charities? Do you think this is "feelings of hatred towards Trump" instead of "truth and facts"? Something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 Well if Barr's assessment is fair and accurate, no further charges or indictments. That's that then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace1647545504 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 Just like he has said all along...a witch hunt by the left....as stan lee would say..nough said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 A witch hunt that caught actual witches, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace1647545504 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 the dems didn't want the little fish that were caught they wanted the big fish. all politicians surround themselves with crooks..the clintons are no saints..along with pelosi..shumer..mcconnell...et al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 So the dems didn't get what they wanted and Americans put some criminals away. How is this not a win in your book? Wasn't this whole thing good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10phone2 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 Time to move on. At the end of the day, republicans will be republicans and democrate supporters will be democrate supporters. nothing is wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 Yeah, we've got Hillary emails to investigate according to Lindsay Graham. Better not dwell on the past Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10phone2 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh8sti Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 this is brutal This reminds me of the moments after Hilary lost. I almost feel bad for them....but then again I remember all the shit they peddle by the MSM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh8sti Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 reading the report and not only did they NOT collude, but when they were approached by Russian meddlers the campaign TURNED THEM AWAY...... wow.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 reading the report and not only did they NOT collude, but when they were approached by Russian meddlers the campaign TURNED THEM AWAY...... wow.... Huh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh8sti Posted March 25, 2019 Report Share Posted March 25, 2019 https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/435544-the-steele-mueller-nightmare-is-over-and-should-be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 25, 2019 Report Share Posted March 25, 2019 https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/435544-the-steele-mueller-nightmare-is-over-and-should-be Well that's all a load of hogwash. You said "reading the report", I thought you meant the actual report had been released. You meant reading some opinion piece. What are you referring to where the campaign turned away meddlers? What's your source on that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh8sti Posted March 25, 2019 Report Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) Greg - its on page 2 of the summary, last paragraph. https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/read-attorney-general-barr-s-principal-conclusions-of-the-mueller-report/?noteId=9048a12b-2332-4645-a1be-d645db216eb5&questionId=218b8095-c5e3-4eab-9135-4170f5b3e87f&utm_term=.a27a7c0eb5c1 Its possible I could be reading too far into that, if so, I will retract my statement. It does seem to me that the Russians reached out to coordinate and the campaign turned them down. The campaign may have had the oppo research they wanted already? Edited March 25, 2019 by Panduh spelling errors - also wanted to expand on what I meant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg1647545532 Posted March 25, 2019 Report Share Posted March 25, 2019 I see it now. That's not my interpretation of that sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oh8sti Posted March 25, 2019 Report Share Posted March 25, 2019 I see it now. That's not my interpretation of that sentence. totally fair - I think the full report may shed light on that part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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