Glenn Beck - Common Sense

[Disclaimer]

How can the Constitution NOT be a living document? The Constitution is like a Balance sheet... it is a snapshot at a single point in time. Time doesn't stop, and therefore the document will become outdated the minute the last sig was placed on the paper. As time changes, one must re-evaluate the application and intention of the Constitution - which is why we have the Judicial branch.

It also seems like we're gradually pointing the keel of this thread toward a religious debate.

If God judges morality, then why are there laws in place in Ohio against prostitution? It is two consenting adults - one providing a service. God will judge me later in my afterlife - so I don't need mere mortals imposing restrictions to force me into being moral - as they define it.

Edited July 24, 2009 by JRMMiii

[chevysoldier]

If you want to tell the people that lived under Saddam come with InyaAzz and me to Michigan this weekend. I will introduce you to about 1/2 million Iraqi nationals that are doing quite well for themselves.

You realize what you said right? You missed the whole point.

They left Iraq to come to a capitalistic country where they could succeed because they couldnt make it in Iraq. Go to Iraq and tell how you think they could do any better under sadam? Oh wait they are cuz we relieved him of his duties., And if they were in Michigan they weren't living under saddam now were they?

Edited July 24, 2009 by chevysoldier

[shittygsxr]

The US is in its current state for the following reasons

1. MTV

2. BET

3. Paris Hilton

4. Cartels

The first three are self explanatory as they have been the leading factors in getting people to buy stupid shit that they do not need nor can afford.

Number four, because of the deregulation and increased mergers Exxon-Mobile, Bp-Amoco, and the upcoming BP-Shell merger these companies have the ability to act more like a cartel than competitors in a free market

[Disclaimer]

You realize what you said right? You missed the whole point.

They left Iraq to come to a capitalistic country where they could succeed because they couldnt make it in Iraq. Go to Iraq and tell how you think they could do any better under sadam? Oh wait they are cuz we relieved him of his duties.,

Wrong, you missed the point. They did what was necessary to become successful - expatriate.

[dmagicglock]

Wrong, you missed the point. They did what was necessary to become successful - expatriate.

correct but i think his argument is that under their style of government, success isn't possible. I think his frame of reference is that under that government, success wouldn't be possible, so applying possibility of success to a different model is like comparing apples to oranges?

[shittygsxr]

You realize what you said right? You missed the whole point.

They left Iraq to come to a capitalistic country where they could succeed because they couldnt make it in Iraq. Go to Iraq and tell how you think they could do any better under sadam? Oh wait they are cuz we relieved him of his duties.,

Actually I didn't miss the point.

JRMIII said successful people will be successful.

You said tell it to the people living in Iraq.

I said that people from Iraq who wanted to be successful came to Dearborn, MI and are living the good life.

I will make two points here, first who are you to decide what succeed means? Different people have different goals in life, I am sure people in Dubai think you are poor and unhappy.

secondly you said " I dont like illegal immigrants reaping benefits they havent put in to," well why would you like us funding a war to make a bunch of foreigners happy?

From your screen name I bet you are/were in the military and have "seen things" I see them too, especially when I hang out with my cousin that got fucked up in Iraq.

[shittygsxr]

correct but i think his argument is that under their style of government, success (is harder) isn't possible. I think his frame of reference is that under that government, success wouldn't be (as easy) possible, so applying (probability) possibility of success to a different model is like comparing apples to (apples) oranges?

I will make you statment more accurate. Please note the parenthesis

[dmagicglock]

I will make you statment more accurate. Please note the parenthesis

well if we're in the business of making statements more accurate.

In 2007, Michigan had the largest number of Iraqi immigrants (36,172, or 35.3 percent), followed by California (16,715, or 16.3 percent). Together, these two states accounted for 51.7 percent (52,887) of all Iraqi-born immigrants. Illinois and Arizona also had large Iraqi-born populations.

Hardly half a million?

[Disclaimer]

He said 'about'... that's ballpark

But those are just foreign born numbers... that doesn't account for family or kids that were born in the US and therefore American, but likely raised in an Iraqi/Muslim upbringing. So, if you count THEM, the number would be closer to 1/2 mill, though I don't think you'd get all the way there. If we're talking pure Iraqi descendants.

[dmagicglock]

^ lol

back to original thread topic, found this, his book is new york times best seller for 5 weeks at number 1 for paperback nonfiction

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/26/books/bestseller/bestpapernonfiction.html?_r=1&ref=bestseller

and here's some reviews from amazon.com for those interested in reading the book!

http://www.amazon.com/Glenn-Becks-Common-Sense-Control/product-reviews/1439168571/ref=dp_db_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

Edited July 24, 2009 by dmagicglock

[fusion]

A) The NY Times Best Seller list doesn't mean jack...

B)

[shittygsxr]

well if we're in the business of making statements more accurate.

In 2007, Michigan had the largest number of Iraqi immigrants (36,172, or 35.3 percent), followed by California (16,715, or 16.3 percent). Together, these two states accounted for 51.7 percent (52,887) of all Iraqi-born immigrants. Illinois and Arizona also had large Iraqi-born populations.

Hardly half a million?

Believe it or not many of the Iraqi immigrants don't openly speak of their heritage because of the negative perceptions of thier race held by many Americans. So you will not get an accurate count no matter how hard you try. Some may go as far as to call themselves Chaldean if they are comfortable around you but many won't. The numbers were not crucial to my argument.

[dmagicglock]

^^ he was talking about the get off my phone thing the other day, its an inside joke that he's been doing for 10 years now, its in reference to an old radio talk show host that him and his friend would call (Bob Grant).

[fusion]

^^ he was talking about the get off my phone thing the other day, its an inside joke that he's been doing for 10 years now, its in reference to an old radio talk show host that him and his friend would call (Bob Grant).

Nothing's funnier than the fact that you believe his excuse for that.

[dmagicglock]

no really, i've listened to his radio show on and off for years (when dan patrick isn't more interesting) and he's said that to many callers.

[chevysoldier]

Actually I didn't miss the point.

JRMIII said successful people will be successful.

You said tell it to the people living in Iraq.

I said that people from Iraq who wanted to be successful came to Dearborn, MI and are living the good life.

I will make two points here, first who are you to decide what succeed means? Different people have different goals in life, I am sure people in Dubai think you are poor and unhappy.

secondly you said " I dont like illegal immigrants reaping benefits they havent put in to," well why would you like us funding a war to make a bunch of foreigners happy?

From your screen name I bet you are/were in the military and have "seen things" I see them too, especially when I hang out with my cousin that got fucked up in Iraq.

So they left a dictatorship(near socialism) where they couldnt succeed to come to a capitalistic US where they could succeed and we are movong towards socialism. So they couldnt succeed under a dictatorship and you want socialism? The wanted to succeed so they went to a place where they could...is this what your saying?

[Disclaimer]

A dictatorship is not "near socialism". One person making the decisions is hardly equatable to everyone making the decisions.

socialism |ˈsō sh əˌlizəm|

noun

a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

• policy or practice based on this theory.

• (in Marxist theory) a transitional social state between the overthrow of capitalism and the realization of communism.

[chevysoldier]

So they left a dictatorship(near socialism) where they couldnt succeed to come to a capitalistic US where they could succeed and we are movong towards socialism. So they couldnt succeed under a dictatorship and you want socialism? The wanted to succeed so they went to a place where they could...is this what your saying?

A dictatorship is not "near socialism". One person making the decisions is hardly equatable to everyone making the decisions.

okay its not anywhere near socialism. So its closer to capitalism? Thats why so many people leave dictatorships and socialistic countries to come to capitalism....gotcha

[shittygsxr]

So they left a dictatorship(near socialism) where they couldnt succeed to come to a capitalistic US where they could succeed and we are movong towards socialism. So they couldnt succeed under a dictatorship and you want socialism? The wanted to succeed so they went to a place where they could...is this what your saying?

I guess I should warn you, if I turn out to be particularly clear, you've probably misunderstood what I've said.

[psyco1]

okay its not anywhere near socialism. So its closer to capitalism? Thats why so many people leave dictatorships and socialistic countries to come to capitalism....gotcha

Saddam was a right wing dictatorship like the banana republics in central america, only a stones throw from fascism, to the right of the right in US politics. Nowhere near a liberal democracy.

BTW, Glenn Beck's a nutcase

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3163855

Edited July 26, 2009 by psyco1

[alab32]

Back to the root of the first post, I have wanted to read the book and Ill have to get it when ever I get the chance. I like Glenn Beck!

Capitalism, thats where its at! People come here for a reason. If we go to a socialistic state, we wont get the people coming over here being successful like they are. We wont be as successful the way we are. Things are going south and it makes me wonder how far this is going to go.

Edited July 26, 2009 by alab32

[dmagicglock]

Saddam was a right wing dictatorship like the banana republics in central america, only a stones throw from fascism, to the right of the right in US politics. Nowhere near a liberal democracy.

BTW, Glenn Beck's a nutcase

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3163855

yea quote a liberal blog, very credible, maybe you could quote the huffington post, or the new york times or msnbc while you're at it. Read the book, if you disagree with it, then post something about the substance of the book.

[psyco1]

There was nothing 'right wing' about Saddam.. if anything he was a leftist. I think you have things confused.

Side note: Adolf Hitler.. lefty.

Right wing authoritarian

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/36/European-political-spectrum.png/358px-European-political-spectrum.png

[dmagicglock]

wasn't hitler head of the nazi party and nazi is A member of the National Socialist German Workers Party?

I see the diagram and it shows facism to the right, but they were just as much socialists too... which is to the left near communism

[psyco1]

And? You're saying since it has the word socialist it's a left wing party, by using the same logic, then the Republican Guard in Iraq was in line with the Republican party in the US.