NinjaNick Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 (edited) Anti-wheelie? ......Um, wouldn't that waste the power because it would have to tone the motor down right? Which would make it slow right? I don't see how this anti-wheelie thing would work. A fast machine just does that and doesn't need toned down. IDK, what's your opinions?http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/no-new-gsx-r1000-in-2011-but-2012-model-will-be-amazing/11749.html Edited June 5, 2010 by NinjaNick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 Anti-wheelie would be great for launch control. I'm sure their version of anti-wheelie would let the front wheel get off the ground, but not over a certain point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obesityrules Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 anti wheelie aka traction control system, bmw has a similar function on its s1000r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted June 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 You can by the Launch Master to control wheelies for drag though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted June 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 anti wheelie aka traction control system, bmw has a similar function on its s1000rThe link mentions those 2 seperately though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obesityrules Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 on the bmw it is somewhat linked into the same system, with the idea that you have more control with the front wheel on the ground. it could be disabled by switching to track mode but they found it did not make a significant difference in lap times. sport rider did a good write up on the different power modes and what they limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted June 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 I get SportRider at my home. I'll have to read that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obesityrules Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 it was the issue were they track tested it. it seems like the past 5 issues have had the s1000rr on the cover, they love that bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixxie750 Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 Yea sport rider did a great write up. This wheelie controll is not really for launching or starts. Its for high speed corner exits and other tricky road course turns/hills. If ur lifting the front your not gaining as much speed as possible so the trac controll keeps it down for you so u can really hammer it without worry. The BMW is a sick bike for sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 The idea on wheelie control is based on the fact that with a ton of power to the ground, it is going to wheelie at times in a serious fashion with a ham fisted approach. Yes, two wheels down is faster than one, but it is not going to limit power wheelies. It's somewhat like a bank sensor where it will understand the angle of sorts and base it with the throttle input, RPMs, speed, etc and control it. So many things operating at milliseconds and faster to judge what is going on with the bike and making sure you have as much power down efficiently as possible...The thing is that a wheelie control device is only there to help you keep the bike going forward as best as possible. W/O it, the bike isn't going to be as effective and will be harder to ride fast.Today, the features they are putting on bikes make them easier to ride. Electronics help with that. Of course, the added benefit is that they can use that technology in a race setting as if the bike comes stock with it, they can race with it as many racing series do not allow any electronics like traction control unless they come stock on a bike. Those stock features can then be tuned to be as good as possible. For example, my traction control is better aftermarket than the stock setup. Mapped out and used as a tool depending on the situation makes the bike different than as stock. More people can ride these 1000s easier than ever before. It used to be that these never had such things and were even tougher to ride. Heavier, tougher to ride and somewhat rough around th edges. Now, easier, but to ride fast, they take a LOT of skill and aren't as easy as people think... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted June 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 Yea sport rider did a great write up. This wheelie controll is not really for launching or starts. Its for high speed corner exits and other tricky road course turns/hills. If ur lifting the front your not gaining as much speed as possible so the trac controll keeps it down for you so u can really hammer it without worry. The BMW is a sick bike for sure!The idea on wheelie control is based on the fact that with a ton of power to the ground, it is going to wheelie at times in a serious fashion with a ham fisted approach. Yes, two wheels down is faster than one, but it is not going to limit power wheelies. It's somewhat like a bank sensor where it will understand the angle of sorts and base it with the throttle input, RPMs, speed, etc and control it. So many things operating at milliseconds and faster to judge what is going on with the bike and making sure you have as much power down efficiently as possible...The thing is that a wheelie control device is only there to help you keep the bike going forward as best as possible. W/O it, the bike isn't going to be as effective and will be harder to ride fast.Today, the features they are putting on bikes make them easier to ride. Electronics help with that. Of course, the added benefit is that they can use that technology in a race setting as if the bike comes stock with it, they can race with it as many racing series do not allow any electronics like traction control unless they come stock on a bike. Those stock features can then be tuned to be as good as possible. For example, my traction control is better aftermarket than the stock setup. Mapped out and used as a tool depending on the situation makes the bike different than as stock. More people can ride these 1000s easier than ever before. It used to be that these never had such things and were even tougher to ride. Heavier, tougher to ride and somewhat rough around th edges. Now, easier, but to ride fast, they take a LOT of skill and aren't as easy as people think...To both of you - Say your at 100mph coming out of a corner and then the surface drops down which makes your bike hit the air. What does this feature do? Wouldn't it have to shut-off power, which would slow you down unwillingly?I don't know how it would work, so yes, I'm seriously asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixxie750 Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 I have never riden with trac controll so i have no clue. The BMW has so many gadgets it prob even hass go go gadget wings also lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obesityrules Posted June 5, 2010 Report Share Posted June 5, 2010 (edited) To both of you - Say your at 100mph coming out of a corner and then the surface drops down which makes your bike hit the air. What does this feature do? Wouldn't it have to shut-off power, which would slow you down unwillingly?I don't know how it would work, so yes, I'm seriously asking.the way they described the bmw unit, it would depend on the power mode the bike was in and the amount of time the front wheel was off the ground. In the more aggressive power modes it allowed the bike to wheelie for a short amount of time before limiting the power enough to get the front wheel back on the ground.edit- got interested and checked out what they are saying on the bmw forums. the link below has some decent info on what you could describe as flaws to this setup and what the workarounds are.http://www.s1000rrforum.com/forum/bmw-s1000rr-general-discussion/1183-how-you-guys-getting-anti-wheelie.html Edited June 5, 2010 by obesityrules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted June 6, 2010 Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 To both of you - Say your at 100mph coming out of a corner and then the surface drops down which makes your bike hit the air. What does this feature do? Wouldn't it have to shut-off power, which would slow you down unwillingly?I don't know how it would work, so yes, I'm seriously asking.Let's look at your scenario first. If the ground drops, it isn't wheelying. The bike doesn't change level. I suspect that there is a sensor that indicates that the front raises above "level" to a certain degree to which then tells the engine mgmt system to cut the motor to slow the rear wheel ever so quickly that you won't really even notice a lot...Dulls the engine speed to lower the front, but not slam it down...My bike doesn't have a wheelie control, but has traction control. If I run it on the "B" setting, I can come out of a corner, wheelie and actually spin the rear. As it spins, it cuts out ever so slightly. Almost feels like the motor misses slightly. Really quick, but enough to drop the front quickly as it is reducing power to the rear wheel, right? So the front drops somewhat fast...Traction and wheelie control is something that doesn't stop the forward drive, but many quick pulses that reduce the power delivery. They are so fast that they really don't cause issue because you'd be losing more speed and forward progress spinning and wheelying... With control, it does slow, but not as much as if w/o... Make sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted June 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 Thanks. 4:50am? You don't seem like the type that would be up at 4:50am. I know I'm not anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted June 6, 2010 Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 Thanks. 4:50am? You don't seem like the type that would be up at 4:50am. I know I'm not anymore.I'm in CA... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaNick Posted June 6, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2010 1:50am? That's bedtime STILL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto-Brian Posted June 7, 2010 Report Share Posted June 7, 2010 1:50am? That's bedtime STILL! Not when you're at a sales meeting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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