modular Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 If this works, this is going to be a global economic and political game changer!! Have a read... http://www.gizmag.com/breakthrough-promises-150-per-gallon-synthetic-gasoline-with-no-carbon-emissions/17687/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 believe it when i see it - this will never happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Cool post, buuuuuuuutt....The Cella Energy place is making awful big claims, and the article doesn't have a lot of underlying data/engineering with it. Where does the $1.50/gallon figure come from? What is the source material? How abundant is it? I get that it's Hydrogen-based, but there's obviously more to the process. How can you develop something for years in secret? -- with todays 24hr news cycle and tech leaks, I would think their suppliers or contractors would've figured it out and leaked it. Then, I'd want to look at their financials, are they hurting for cash? This could be a "press bump" to get more investor funds...So, again, thanks for sharing, it's cool and I'm rooting for it, but I'll believe it when I see it - kinda like cold fusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSparky Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 i doubt it will take off. To engineer a fuel to combust the same way as gasoline does, and work in a regular engine... That is completely unlike a hydrocarbon, that just doesn't make sense. It might not "require" engine modification, but I doubt catalytic converters will be needed, and I also seriously doubt it will require the same AFR as regular gasoline... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonzie Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) ... but I'll believe it when I see it - kinda like cold fusion. Edited January 27, 2011 by Fonzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Cool post, buuuuuuuutt....The Cella Energy place is making awful big claims, and the article doesn't have a lot of underlying data/engineering with it. Where does the $1.50/gallon figure come from? What is the source material? How abundant is it? I get that it's Hydrogen-based, but there's obviously more to the process. How can you develop something for years in secret? -- with todays 24hr news cycle and tech leaks, I would think their suppliers or contractors would've figured it out and leaked it. Then, I'd want to look at their financials, are they hurting for cash? This could be a "press bump" to get more investor funds...So, again, thanks for sharing, it's cool and I'm rooting for it, but I'll believe it when I see it - kinda like cold fusion.Bingo. See also - Moller Skycar, algae fuel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Bingo. See also - Moller Skycar, algae fueli think algae fuel is a step in the right direction...its so easy to produce, and the stuff can be grown anywhere...i would like to see this technology evolve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jst2fst Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 i think algae fuel is a step in the right direction...its so easy to produce, and the stuff can be grown anywhere...i would like to see this technology evolveSounds like a decent idea but high hopes on the manufactures to research ways on how to adapt the new fuel to run in the cars. Not sure what mods will need to be done to accomplish that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 http://www.oilgae.com/videos/watch/83/Algae-Biofuels-and-Biotech---Stephen-Mayfield-UC-San-Diego/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Sounds like a decent idea but high hopes on the manufactures to research ways on how to adapt the new fuel to run in the cars. Not sure what mods will need to be done to accomplish that.the fuel algae makes will be a direct replacement of gas - theyre oil based and will run just like normal gasolinethe only problem with algae fuel would be making enough of it to keep up with our needs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapphy Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 If it is true, it will still be years out. First the government has to approve it, and we all know oil companies will not let that happen. Second they will need to build places to make the stuff and I am would bet the EPA would have a lot to say on that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jst2fst Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 the fuel algae makes will be a direct replacement of gas - theyre oil based and will run just like normal gasolinethe only problem with algae fuel would be making enough of it to keep up with our needsThat was another concern with the need for algae farms on a massive scale to meet the need of daily use. That's a lot of algae how much just to make a gallon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 If it is true, it will still be years out. First the government has to approve it, and we all know oil companies will not let that happen. Second they will need to build places to make the stuff and I am would bet the EPA would have a lot to say on that as well.the algae would be beneficial for the overall environment, and it would be grown in deserts and wastlelands where nothing else can grow.waste water that is a pollutant now, would be pumped into algae ponds which would remove nitrogren and phosphate from the water and feed the algaethe EPA would love itwatch the video link i posted and it will explain the benefits of growing the algae for the environment itselfit is new technology - and theres no way it will hit large scale in the next few years. theres a lot more science and research that would go into it.currently, the cost to produce it is about $20/gallon they are predicting 3-5 years before it would even get to a usable price - but all new technology has to start somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWing'R Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 The technology already exists to run your car on water but you don't see or hear about it being widely used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 That was another concern with the need for algae farms on a massive scale to meet the need of daily use. That's a lot of algae how much just to make a gallon?30-40 million acres to supply enough fuel for the united statesthey say its doable because the algae can be grown anywhere...they say eventually they will be able to farm enough land for algae to supply fuel, without having to damage any existing land (by making use of deserts, and wastelands where nothing else can even grow) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 The technology already exists to run your car on water but you don't see or hear about it being widely used.theres a neat rally every year where people all get together and drive across the country on cars that are ran on alternative forms of energy...they have several of these hydrogen cars, a few biodiesels, etc...its neat to see modern average cars running in ways like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beegreenstrings Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Hey without a doubt it would be great! I am all in, but I would have to go back to the conspiracy theorist on this...Your major oil companies will never allow this to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWing'R Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) ..they have several of these hydrogen cars, a few biodiesels, etc...its neat to see modern average cars running in ways like thisIf I didn't have a brand new car I'd try something like this. I'd like to try thisand possibly the magnet generators that you can supposedly build for your home. I like gadget stuff Edited January 27, 2011 by SWing'R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 The technology already exists to run your car on water but you don't see or hear about it being widely used.I needed a good laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 its already going on such a large scale, that it cant be bought out by big oil. the only thing stopping it is that its new technology and hasnt been fully developed yet. its got years or testing and research still before it would even be ready for anything main stream.they have made the fuels, they do work, but currently theyre testing which algaes grow best, how they fair in the real world vs the lab, etc...once its developed fully, they have to work on acquiring the land and building the facilities etc etcif algae fuels take off, i would estimate it at least 15 years down the road before anything is being pumped into your tankto say anything other than big oil will never work isnt that accurate...you can already buy bio diesel at the pump in california, and algae fuel would be used as a type of biodieselalso, e85 is available at the pump now which uses very little oil big oil will always have its place, even if we switched to 100% electric cars.....so many products are made from petroluem aside from just fuels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWing'R Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 I needed a good laugh.So, does that not work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 If I didn't have a brand new car I'd try something like this. I'd like to try thisand possibly the magnet generators that you can supposedly build for your home. I like gadget stuff both would be interesting to try, although im skeptical on the magnet thing - it sounds good in theory kinda, but the website is too "as seen on tv" for me lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 I needed a good laugh.i didnt actually click his link....i agree, that link is BS lolill try to find the video of the cars i was talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 i found this while looking...this thing appears to be neat, although its electric/gas hybrid and kinda off topic of this discussion lolhttp://afstrinity.com/prototype/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Butters Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 heres one water car - but small scale projects like this will never hit mainstream....big oil and/or the gov will buy this guy out and bury this carhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHDYR2f5BMI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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