Uncle Punk Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Can I walk in open carrying at the local convenience store that sells beer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken45 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 also, another little tidbit that i've looked at would be the signs posted at Easton Town Center, these have a picture of a revolver with the general red crossed out circle. these are not legal signs prohibiting the LEGAL LICENSED concealed carry by an individual, as it is written in the ORC that the only legal signage MUST contain this phrase :“Unless otherwise authorized by law, pursuant to the Ohio Revised Code, no person shall knowingly possess, have under the person’s control, convey, or attempt to convey a deadly weapon or dangerous ordnance onto these premises.”ALERT - THAT IS TOTALLY INCORRECT. There is only legal defined signage for government (statutory no carry) buildings. For non government buildings, there is no defined signage or wording. Anything that conveys the message "no guns" is legal. Even a child's crayon drawing of a gun with a slash through it, or a poorly scribbled "no guns" sign. Here is from section 2923.126 of the ORC. It says nothing about wording:(3) (a) Except as provided in division ©(3)(b) of this section, the owner or person in control of private land or premises, and a private person or entity leasing land or premises owned by the state, the United States, or a political subdivision of the state or the United States, may post a sign in a conspicuous location on that land or on those premises prohibiting persons from carrying firearms or concealed firearms on or onto that land or those premises. Except as otherwise provided in this division, a person who knowingly violates a posted prohibition of that nature is guilty of criminal trespass in violation of division (A)(4) of section 2911.21 of the Revised Code and is guilty of a misdemeanor of the fourth degree. If a person knowingly violates a posted prohibition of that nature and the posted land or premises primarily was a parking lot or other parking facility, the person is not guilty of criminal trespass in violation of division (A)(4) of section 2911.21 of the Revised Code and instead is subject only to a civil cause of action for trespass based on the violation.You are confused with section2923.1212 Signage prohibiting concealed handguns. (A) The following persons, boards, and entities, or designees, shall post in the following locations a sign that contains a statement in substantially the following form: “Unless otherwise authorized by law, pursuant to the Ohio Revised Code, no person shall knowingly possess, have under the person’s control, convey, or attempt to convey a deadly weapon or dangerous ordnance onto these premises.” :It goes on to list sherrif's offices, state highway patrol, those in charge of government buildings, etc. but does not include anything about non government buildings. In summary, there is only specific language required on government buildings, not on private property.Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Punk Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Not trying to be an asshole eitherHey fuckface are you implying that others asking questions are trying to be an asshole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owndjoo Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 you can look up the actual verbage on the ohio attorney general's page as well as some other sites. and no, your local carryouts and stores do not permit open containers on their premises and thus are not class D establishments. I am currently a USAF Combat Arms Instructor and have been working to get my ohio ccw instructor certification. The safe bet is to always just not carry if the sign has the writing saying you can't. However with the liquor establishments it has to say specifically ccw is prohibited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owndjoo Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 shit you are right, i did read that with the class d that they MUST specifically state that ccw is not allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Punk Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 your local carryouts and stores do not permit open containers on their premises and thus are not class D establishments.Selling alcohol on premise does not require a class D permit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken45 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 The Ohio Liquor Control sign includes the words "MAY be committing a felony". I believe that it predates the CHL law and does not apply to licensed carriers.Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conn-e-rot Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 you can look up the actual verbage on the ohio attorney general's page as well as some other sites. and no, your local carryouts and stores do not permit open containers on their premises and thus are not class D establishments. I am currently a USAF Combat Arms Instructor and have been working to get my ohio ccw instructor certification. The safe bet is to always just not carry if the sign has the writing saying you can't. However with the liquor establishments it has to say specifically ccw is prohibited.Well if your working to be an Ohio instructor you need to study a lot harder.There is no specific signage they can have their 3 year old draw a no gun sign in crayon and hang it up and it is legal. The attorney generals sight only suggests the wording it is not mandatory.SignageThe law does not say precisely what language must be on the sign. At aminimum, signs must be conspicuous and inform people that firearms and/or concealed handguns are prohibited. However, the law suggests that theprohibited locations post a sign that substantially says the following:Unless otherwise authorized by law, pursuant to the Ohio Revised Code, no personshall knowingly possess, have under his control, convey, or attempt to convey a deadlyhandgun or dangerous ordnance onto these premises.17An example of a standard warning sign approved for use on state buildingsappears below. If you see this sign, it means that you cannot bring yourconcealed handgun inside. Businesses and persons wishing to post suchsigns are strongly advised to consult their legal counsel for language, style,format, and placement.Concealed Carry by Law EnforcementFederal law (HR 218) permits active and retired law enforcement officers,under specific circumstances, to carry a concealed firearm. This publicationdoes not address issues related to HR 218. If you are an active or retiredlaw enforcement officer and have questions about HR 218, consult anattorney.ReciprocityOhio has agreements with other states to recognize one another’s concealedhandgun licenses. Consult the Attorney General’s website for the mostrecent list of agreements. Be aware the laws of the other state apply to youwhen you are in that state.Open CarryOhio’s concealed carry laws do not regulate “open” carry of firearms. Ifyou openly carry, use caution. The open carry of firearms is a legal activityin Ohio.The sign is available to download from the Attorney General’s website atwww.OhioAttorneyGeneral.gov at no charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owndjoo Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 this is pulled straight from the Attorney General's ccw handbookSignageThe law does not say precisely what language must be on the sign. At aminimum, signs must be conspicuous and inform people that firearms and/or concealed handguns are prohibited. However, the law suggests that theprohibited locations post a sign that substantially says the following:Unless otherwise authorized by law, pursuant to the Ohio Revised Code, no personshall knowingly possess, have under his control, convey, or attempt to convey a deadlyhandgun or dangerous ordnance onto these premises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owndjoo Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 beat me to it. haha and for the liquor stuffLicensed Class D liquor permit premises if you are consuming beer orintoxicating liquor or are under the influence. If you are notconsuming, you may carry unless there is a conspicuoussign prohibiting carry.Possession of a concealed firearm is allowed in a retail storewith a D-6 or D-8 permit as long as the concealed carry licenseholder is not consuming liquor. Class D permits are generally issuedto an establishment that sells alcohol for consumption on thepremises. In any event, do not consume beer or intoxicatingliquor before carrying a concealed handgun into a licensedpremises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Punk Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 beat me to it. haha and for the liquor stuffLicensed Class D liquor permit premises if you are consuming beer orintoxicating liquor or are under the influence. If you are notconsuming, you may carry unless there is a conspicuoussign prohibiting carry.Possession of a concealed firearm is allowed in a retail storewith a D-6 or D-8 permit as long as the concealed carry licenseholder is not consuming liquor. Class D permits are generally issuedto an establishment that sells alcohol for consumption on thepremises. In any event, do not consume beer or intoxicatingliquor before carrying a concealed handgun into a licensedpremises.Much better clarification. Selling of alcohol is covered by class D permits; there are sub sets of D permits. We have covered open carry and class D carrying is there anything else that needs to be cleared up? I felt that you were making blanket statements as absolutes that needed to be addressed. If you intend to instruct expect these questions to come up.if it says UNLICENSED then you are still allowed to carry since you are a licensed carrier. Those signs HAVE to be posted at ANY class D liquor establishment to show that unlicensed carrying is STILL illegal in a class D establishment. A class D must spell out that licensed ccw holders are not allowed on the premises if they don't want you to carry in their business.it's also a way to prevent open carry by unlicensed individualsThis could have been misunderstood without clearing things up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
owndjoo Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 as of right now I can't find the signage for liquor establishments. so as advised above if you see a sign don't carry. however it is allowed to have firearm in a locked vehicle in the parking lot of a college or university regardless. and if you do have a firearm in the vehicle of a private property that has the sign posted, then it is a civil trespass issue not a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Hey fuckface are you implying that others asking questions are trying to be an asshole?No twat-waffle I wasn't. But why don't you come a little closer so I can mind punch your brain face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anden Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Can we get a Jim Jeffreys fuller too. Under any posted sign it must read. "And don't molest children!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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