ReconRat Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 hmm the way i was reading it, i thought the book was called "impressions and observations"does this book actually say these things claimed?Apparently yes and no. I'd have to read it again to be sure. Some facts in the email that circulated are true facts (from the book), and other facts are completely fabricated for the "shocking" email. And still difficult to tell, since sources of the information for the book were never revealed. Secret Service agents aren't supposed to talk about stuff.I've heard the stories about LBJ, so that part is probably true. He was a rough gruff Texan. The stuff about Carter is a surprise. I knew stuff about Agnew from when I was in college and knew somebody that lived around there. Saying Nixon was strange isn't too surprising, but is kind of creepy when considering he was president. There's always something on everyone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 I grew up in that era, and remember this as well. I was just thinking the other day about how the gulf war was the last time I could truly remember people coming together, being patriotic and supporting our military. I remember my grandparents taking me to a parade for the troops on a saturday, we all wore something that represented our country, and i can remember my grandfather giving me a Desert storm hat to wear as well.Anyone else feel like most of the population is so far stuck up their own ass that they can't see what piss poor shape this place is in?I'm going to get flamed up and down for this, but whatever.There's entire businesses set up for supporting the troops, supporting the military, all that stuff. It really seems like I can't walk 50 feet without someone trying to make me feel bad or tug on my heartstrings about supporting the troops by buying their widget or giving them money. I have an idea as to why you might feel like Desert Storm was the last time you felt that way, it might have something to do with Desert Shield/Storm was the first major prolonged military engagement of US troops since Vietnam, and the population collectively wanted to make sure we did it right this time, which, I believe, they did. The problem becomes that it never let up, as we had a lull through most of the 90's we were right back at it 9 years later, not the 20 that separated Vietnam and Gulf I. Because the "goodwill" never let up, you and I have more or less become desensitized to it, causing the older memories of when it was fresh and new (and actually grassroots) to be how we want to remember it.In short, "supporting the troops" is big business now, and not the unifying events we remember from decades past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 If it swung the other way you would 110% be behind though huh?You really should try working on that whole "subtlety" thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 You really should try working on that whole "subtlety" thing.Yes I'm a racist troll, and you an America and liberty hating Marxist Communist liberal Obama worshiper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 You could have piled more adjectives on there. Your powers are weak, old man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 You could have piled more adjectives on there. Your powers are weak, old man.I know, but I got bored with it. For one thing you don't get your panties in as big of a bunch as Justin so its not as fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 In short, "supporting the troops" is big business now, and not the unifying events we remember from decades past.my question is this: what does "support the troops" or "support the military" even mean? it seems like such a vague statement. what does one do to support the troops? is it a way of saying "support our policy"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 Cheech hates America and our troops. We can lock this one up.Lulz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorifto240 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 and all the democrats are assholes.Cheech is doing a great job dispelling THAT myth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 Cheech is doing a great job dispelling THAT myth...I know, right? History and reality have SUCH a liberal bias. Oh well, haters gonna hate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorifto240 Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 I know, right? History and reality have SUCH a liberal bias. Oh well, haters gonna hate.A liberal will interpret certain events with a liberal bias and vice versa. And as Piaget found, instead of accommodating contrary information, the mind is more likely to reject contrary information outright as false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 A liberal will interpret certain events with a liberal bias and vice versa. And as Piaget found, instead of accommodating contrary information, the mind is more likely to reject contrary information outright as false.+1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 A liberal will interpret certain events with a liberal bias and vice versa. And as Piaget found, instead of accommodating contrary information, the mind is more likely to reject contrary information outright as false.It's been a while since I've had a psychology course so I had to dig deep for that one. I suppose you have a point if you're dealing with a child's developing mind, as Piaget focused on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 A liberal will interpret certain events with a liberal bias and vice versa. And as Piaget found, instead of accommodating contrary information, the mind is more likely to reject contrary information outright as false.Good point. Although I tend to believe that it applies to portions of all groups of peoples. Except us engineerds, we love contrary information. There's generally not much of it to work with in engineering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhaag Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 my question is this: what does "support the troops" or "support the military" even mean? it seems like such a vague statement. what does one do to support the troops? is it a way of saying "support our policy"?this is the problem i have with it. i wholeheartedly support the troops and the role they play protecting our freedom...i mean actually protecting our freedom;however, i abhor the fact that 'supporting the troops' ends up being political leverage for further preemptive warring and nation building under the guise of 'protecting our freedom'. so, i find it very troubling to say i support the troops when all Washington hears is 'i support what you are doing (policy)'. i believe in my understanding that our nation was meant to lead by example, not by force. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 this is the problem i have with it. i wholeheartedly support the troops and the role they play protecting our freedom...i mean actually protecting our freedom;however, i abhor the fact that 'supporting the troops' ends up being political leverage for further preemptive warring and nation building under the guise of 'protecting our freedom'. so, i find it very troubling to say i support the troops when all Washington hears is 'i support what you are doing (policy)'. i believe in my understanding that our nation was meant to lead by example, not by force.I think that's that's the first thing I've ever heard you say that wasn't full of either fallacies or cognitive dissonance. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) I dont support the commercialization of supporting the troops. Buying a button, magnet, bracelet, etc doesn't just automatically make you support the troops especially if money of the profits of the sale goes to actually support the troops. While I support the men and woman of the military, I do NOT support the war (police action). I remember my mom going to the craft store to get yellow ribbon to put around the tree, now "support the troops" is a huge industry. I prefer to donate to military support charities, so you wont see a "support the troops" button, yard sign, magnet, bracelet, etc. Edited February 17, 2012 by crb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhaag Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 I think that's that's the first thing I've ever heard you say that wasn't full of either fallacies or cognitive dissonance. I agree.lol. come on, now. i'm, undoubtedly, the most reasonable and levelheaded dude you've never met. fallacies and cognitive dissonance? what can i say, i'm a product of our society.btw.....thank you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorifto240 Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 It's been a while since I've had a psychology course so I had to dig deep for that one. I suppose you have a point if you're dealing with a child's developing mind, as Piaget focused on.Piaget's theory, while he developed it studying children, is a theory of learning. When it comes to handling new information, the brain is always engaged in assimilation or accommodation. The tendency is that adults are more likely to reject contrary information. Which your dismissal so elegantly proved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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