Only in NY.....

[scottb]

I hope this does not pass as written. 7 round max? If it does pass, time to start making extra thick magazine plugs or "thicker" followers for a drop in solution. And then next step, start tolling New York Criagslist for magazines for sale.

[imaposer]

Wow. Such a sad sad path we are heading down. The crazy states are in a race to see who can out do each other.

I am starting to truly believe our time as one country is coming to an end. There is just too large of a difference between the desires of the opposing sides.

[baptizo]

I'm all for balkanization. It's long overdue.

Interesting approach...any ideas on where Ohio would wind up?

[Bad324]

I hope this does not pass as written. 7 round max? If it does pass, time to start making extra thick magazine plugs or "thicker" followers for a drop in solution. And then next step, start tolling New York Criagslist for magazines for sale.

NY Armslist is about to get a shit ton of traffic

[shittygsxr]

Reminds me of reading tests before voting.

That's ray sis

[ReconRat]

Found it. Rather difficult to find. Rammed through legislation late last night without public knowledge and input.

Text of bill included. It will take a while to read it. It's a long one.

Senator Griffo's Statement on Senate Bill 2230

S2230-2013: Enacts the NY SAFE Act of 2013

Also found about 16 other NY firearm related laws introduced in 2013 in progress.

New York state gritty details:

22. "Assault weapon" means:

(A) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:

(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;

(II) A PISTOL GRIP THAT PROTRUDES CONSPICUOUSLY BENEATH THE ACTION OF THE WEAPON;

(III) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;

(IV) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE NON-TRIGGER HAND;

(V) A BAYONET MOUNT;

(VI) A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, MUZZLE COMPENSATOR, OR THREADED BARREL DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE A FLASH SUPPRESSOR, MUZZLE BREAK, OR MUZZLE COMPENSATOR;

(VII) A GRENADE LAUNCHER; OR S. 2230 19 A. 2388

(B) A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:

(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;

(II) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;

(III) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE NON-TRIGGER HAND;

(IV) A FIXED MAGAZINE CAPACITY IN EXCESS OF SEVEN ROUNDS;

(V) AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE; OR

© A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL THAT HAS AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE AND HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING CHARACTERISTICS:

(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;

(II) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;

(III) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE NON-TRIGGER HAND;

(IV) CAPACITY TO ACCEPT AN AMMUNITION MAGAZINE THAT ATTACHES TO THE PISTOL OUTSIDE OF THE PISTOL GRIP;

(V) A THREADED BARREL CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING A BARREL EXTENDER, FLASH SUPPRESSOR, FORWARD HANDGRIP, OR SILENCER;

(VI) A SHROUD THAT IS ATTACHED TO, OR PARTIALLY OR COMPLETELY ENCIRCLES, THE BARREL AND THAT PERMITS THE SHOOTER TO HOLD THE FIREARM WITH THE NON-TRIGGER HAND WITHOUT BEING BURNED;

(VII) A MANUFACTURED WEIGHT OF FIFTY OUNCES OR MORE WHEN THE PISTOL IS UNLOADED; OR

(VIII) A SEMIAUTOMATIC VERSION OF AN AUTOMATIC RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR FIREARM;

(D) A REVOLVING CYLINDER SHOTGUN;

(E) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE, A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN OR A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL OR WEAPON DEFINED IN SUBPARAGRAPH (V) OF PARAGRAPH (E) OF SUBDI VISION TWENTY-TWO OF SECTION 265.00 OF THIS CHAPTER AS ADDED BY CHAPTER ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY-NINE OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND AND OTHERWISE LAWFULLY POSSESSED PURSUANT TO SUCH CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER FOURTEENTH, NINETEEN HUNDRED NINETY-FOUR;

(F) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE, A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN OR A SEMIAUTOMATIC PISTOL OR WEAPON DEFINED IN PARAGRAPH (A), (B) OR © OF THIS SUBDIVI SION, POSSESSED PRIOR TO THE DATE OF ENACTMENT OF THE CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH;

(G) PROVIDED, HOWEVER, THAT SUCH TERM DOES NOT INCLUDE:

(I) ANY RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR PISTOL THAT

(A) IS MANUALLY OPERATED BY BOLT, PUMP, LEVER OR SLIDE ACTION;

(B) HAS BEEN RENDERED PERMANENTLY INOPERABLE; OR

© IS AN ANTIQUE FIREARM AS DEFINED IN 18 U.S.C. 921(A)(16);

(II) A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT CANNOT ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE THAT HOLDS MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION;

(III) A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT CANNOT HOLD MORE THAN FIVE ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION IN A FIXED OR DETACHABLE MAGAZINE; OR

(IV) A RIFLE, SHOTGUN OR PISTOL, OR A REPLICA OR A DUPLICATE THEREOF, SPECIFIED IN APPENDIX A TO 18 U.S.C. 922 AS SUCH WEAPON WAS MANUFACTURED ON OCTOBER FIRST, NINETEEN HUNDRED NINETY-THREE. THE MERE FACT THAT A WEAPON IS NOT LISTED IN APPENDIX A SHALL NOT BE CONSTRUED TO MEAN THAT SUCH WEAPON IS AN ASSAULT WEAPON;

(V) ANY WEAPON VALIDLY REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION SIXTEEN-A OF SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER. SUCH WEAPONS SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE PROVISIONS OF PARAGRAPH (H) OF THIS SUBDIVISION;

(VI) ANY FIREARM, RIFLE, OR SHOTGUN THAT WAS MANUFACTURED AT LEAST FIFTY YEARS PRIOR TO THE CURRENT DATE, BUT NOT INCLUDING REPLICAS THERE OF THAT IS VALIDLY REGISTERED PURSUANT TO SUBDIVISION SIXTEEN-A OF SECTION 400.00 OF THIS CHAPTER; (H) ANY WEAPON DEFINED IN PARAGRAPH (E) OR (F) OF THIS SUBDIVISION AND ANY LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE THAT WAS LEGALLY POSSESSED BY AN INDIVIDUAL PRIOR TO THE ENACTMENT OF THE CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH, MAY ONLY BE SOLD TO, EXCHANGED WITH OR DISPOSED OF TO A PURCHASER AUTHORIZED TO POSSESS SUCH WEAPONS OR TO AN INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY OUTSIDE OF THE STATE PROVIDED THAT ANY SUCH TRANSFER TO AN INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY OUTSIDE OF THE STATE MUST BE REPORTED TO THE ENTITY WHEREIN THE WEAPON IS REGISTERED WITHIN SEVEN TY-TWO HOURS OF SUCH TRANSFER. AN INDIVIDUAL WHO TRANSFERS ANY SUCH WEAPON OR LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION DEVICE TO AN INDIVIDUAL INSIDE NEW YORK STATE OR WITHOUT COMPLYING WITH THE PROVISIONS OF THIS PARAGRAPH SHALL BE GUILTY OF A CLASS A MISDEMEANOR UNLESS SUCH LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE, THE POSSESSION OF WHICH IS MADE ILLEGAL BY THE CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARA GRAPH, IS TRANSFERRED WITHIN ONE YEAR OF THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE CHAPTER OF THE LAWS OF TWO THOUSAND THIRTEEN WHICH ADDED THIS PARAGRAPH.

[ReconRat]

APPENDIX A TO 18 U.S.C. 922 wasn't attached, but it's more or less readily available from 1994 federal legislation.

Here's the typical list of allowed exceptions.

APPENDIX A TO 18 U.S.C. 922 was repealed in 2000, so not sure if it's a valid law to be quoting in a state law.

edit: imo, there appears to be flaws with the magazine capacity of 5 vs 7 vs 10 vs more than.

It will probably be amended to correct.

edit: I also see that a previous bill introduced but not yet passed in Massachusetts is very similar to this one.

Edited January 16, 2013 by ReconRat

[scottb]

I started trying to read the NY Safe Act and a bunch to read and I did not even press the "page down" button yet......

[8mmDale]

I think the scariest of all the legislation is this Psych eval stuff. This will allow the government to pick and choose who they feel can own a gun. Talk out of line, sorry no gun your Unstable or some other non-sense. Do anything they don't like and your all of a sudden prohibited on mental health grounds.

We are on a scary road right now.

[swingset]

I think the scariest of all the legislation is this Psych eval stuff. This will allow the government to pick and choose who they feel can own a gun. Talk out of line, sorry no gun your Unstable or some other non-sense. Do anything they don't like and your all of a sudden prohibited on mental health grounds.

We are on a scary road right now.

I've been saying all along that's the most nefarious part of the law. Not only does it (even if unintentionally) set up a climate where people are reported for potential danger falsely, but it almost guarantees that people who need help will not self-report or submit to psych evaluations that desperately need help. Great way to make the stigma of mental health issues worse, frankly.

Plus, a therapist or counselor might be more inclined to report you for being harmful to cover their ass from potential lawsuits or problems.

What clinical and legal criteria determines "dangerous", by the way? Feelings? Words? A hunch?

This is scary shit, for everyone involved.

[ohiomike]

I've been saying all along that's the most nefarious part of the law. Not only does it (even if unintentionally) set up a climate where people are reported for potential danger falsely, but it almost guarantees that people who need help will not self-report or submit to psych evaluations that desperately need help. Great way to make the stigma of mental health issues worse, frankly.

Plus, a therapist or counselor might be more inclined to report you for being harmful to cover their ass from potential lawsuits or problems.

What clinical and legal criteria determines "dangerous", by the way? Feelings? Words? A hunch?

This is scary shit, for everyone involved.

Consider that in conjuction with Obama care. Land of the Free ain't so free anymore and getting more pent up with ever passing day.

[ReconRat]

Add Missouri to the list. They aren't having any part of federal intrusions in state affairs.

New state legislation for Missouri will include penalties for interference.

and actually found a news article from Philadelphia that actually makes a lot of sense about gun control. It's control of violence we're supposed to be after.

From philly.com:

Gun rights aren't the issue