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I'm not eloquent. I have a point that I'm trying to make and I use English to do it. If you think this is eloquent, you need to read more. lol Secondly, no one is more critical of Eric than Eric. I challenge you to name a "progressive fiscal idea" that ever manifested itself into actual practice. You're not going to find one, because the Conservatives have dominated that arena. Rightly so, for a while they were the most qualified to make such decisions. But they're kinky sex with the military industrial complex over the last 30 years has made them just as bloated as the libs. The "Conservative" fiscal pratices that have been in place since Reagan have gotten us right where we are now. "Things were awesome under Reagan"; not really, but what little boon you saw there, you are paying for now because he sold the future to make himself look good. You complain about a healthcare bills cost as if it were a bulk payment, though it will be spread over a period of 12 years. The cost will be nothing compared to the annual blank checks you wrote for a hastily conceived and horribly executed Iraqi war that got us exactly jack squat. My "talking points" in this discussion didn't get anywhere near Bush until you started pointing fingers regarding the recession. This is not a secret, the men have admitted to it: It was coming down the pipes and they did everything they could to stall it until the next administration took office, and postponing it made it worse. I'm not pointing fingers, the guy already raised his hand and said "yep, we did that". I also find it funny that you expect a recession that's been in the making for a decade to be corrected in less than a year. Lastly, you challenge the efficacy of programs that have either just been implemented, or haven't even been approved yet. Healthcare IS a right and it shouldn't be left to people who make such a mad-ass profit off of it. Profit-driven medicine is a despicable bi-product of capitalism. Capitalism is great for general Goods and Services, but has no place in the administration of of care to those who need it. I am very familiar with healthcare and pharmaceuticals. Not just the BS that talking heads like to bring up. I'm talking about the functional details of how shit works (or rather, how shit doesn't work), straight from the mouths of people who live it every day. I've personally worked extensively in in the manufacturing sector and know what drives business decisions. I take the time to ask people who know, I never trust a politician or pundit to tell me how it is. With one exception, I've never listened to an Obama speech, and I have no intention of ever trying. Rob: Jesus and me are boyz, though he was more of a socialist than I am. Funny how people forget that.

Thats not a bad place to meet either. Or we could split up one cincy/one columbus...just throwing ideas out there

I did the Car & Driver One Lap of America back in 2000, entry fee back then was $2K and we burnt through another $2,500+ in the week for fuel, brakes, etc.... It was a great experience but really hard on the budget.