i don't really care....it's just the fact that alot of guys start out with a HD thinking it's the best american made thing since sliced bread......when most of the final and parts are NOT. but hey; if you can justify to yourself to spend 15g's or more on an 8g bike, then so be it. don't try to convince the rest of us!! there are one or two that i would consider......but a whole lot of others i'd put my money in first.