The battle will probably go on for another 20 years until the current crop of HD riders dies off. The ones that associate HD with a Hell's Angels image (back when they were actually a gang?) and of course fierce (and blind) brand loyalty. 1) I don't care if you think I don't ride a "real bike" 2) Yes my leather are hot, that's what I told the last million people Oh and another thing, let's let the term "crotch rocket" die already. After bike night I am really in the mood to bash some HD riders