Citation please. A reputable, non-blogger, non-Orly Taitz citation please. And your argument/point has been made. If you believe it's real, then why the hell are you arguing further? I'll give you a hint: IT'S OAHU. You know where I got that little nugget of info from? The birth certificate you've previously determined is real and factual. Name 3. Previous citation rules apply. The only person I've seen you quote so far is yourself. We have a term for that, it's called an echo chamber. Ah, now this makes sense. You're new to arguing. I'll go nice and slow then. You see, when you make an opinionated statement , it is expected that you have a factual basis for making such a statement. When you are asked to support your positive statement, asking someone to prove their negative statement cheapens or outright destroys your argument. Forgery. You already agreed that the Hawaii one is real. And now the only person you're arguing with is yourself. No. You're debating a false question with yourself. WE (with notable exceptions) understand things like facts, opinion, and proper argumentation. You are the interweb equivalent of someone huddled into a corner carrying on a conversation with no one else in the room. Focus on one argument, you're doing a bad enough job as it is. Yes, you are. This is the entire crux of their argument, which you have parroted almost verbatim. You had them for a minute, then they got lost in the tsunami of troof. He did. You acknowledged it.Don't hate me because I'm beautiful, hate me because I'm right.