So what if Jm didn't post for a year? I didn't get the memo about a time limit; does that breach the rules of internet decorum, the equivalent of drinking your tea w/out your pinkies up? =P And he's a registered Ohio Rider's member just like ya'll, so it's regrettable you'd be so dismissive of a 1st time poster. As for the original poster - Flounder, I'm sure he was referring to squids - people riding like a$$h@les, hot doggin' it on group rides and causing accidents out of negligence and bad judgment. I feel the same.