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they do have quite a bit of recoil, it might be because you can only get one hand on it really. Even with the mag extension it doesn't help much, but lets face it this is a gun you probably wouldn't use for more than 10 feet away. But if you fired a small .38 it might have more kick than a .380 because a .380 cartridges are for pistols not revolvers and they have a shorter length of the bullet with less powder behind the slug.

One of my carry guns is a ruger lcp .380, its nice to have to take with me when I want something more concealed than my glock. You carry the right ammo and have good trigger control some of those small guns can be very effective. But i've never fired a kel tec so I can't testify to their reliability?

have you tried this forum? I use to go here all the time when i had a kawasaki and it was a good resource http://www.kawiforums.com/ you could probably download the manual as a pdf and figure out that way sorry i rock a r6 so I don't know anything about LED flushmounts for your bike, but "greggs" is one of the most common LED manufacturers for flushmounts so they might have something or check out "lockhart" i have those on my r6, just plug and play with factory wiring. sweet ass bike , love the color

billy mays interview on Fox news trying to pitch Obama's bailout hahaha http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=011008&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=4118101&referralPlaylistId=playlist AND he makes fun of the sham wow guy at the end

Glock G19 ftw! or you could get one of these mossberg just in case guns... literally named "just in case"...

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better buy oxy clean before the price sky rockets as celeb memorabilia! Maybe they'll start focusing on this guys death on TV so I'll no longer have to listen to all that "hero worship" about that child molester MJ

At age 72 you will become lost during a road trip and wind up living out the movie "Wrong Turn". Sorry for ya. Looks like I'm adding the movie "wrong turn" to my netflix que.

whoa a couple of motorcycle junkies just solved america's healthcare problem in a forum through a civilized debate! Down with current elected officals! okay maybe its a stretch... but a good start

a medical arbitration board made up of doctors, physicians, nurses, etc... I'm pretty sure they have realistic expectations on what is frivolous and what is mal practice by a doctor. Even through in some trial lawyers if you want to balance it out.

ahh thank you, someone agrees with me on tort reform!

The goal of healthcare is to make us better, the goal of INSURANCE is to make a profit or at least prevent financial loss in the event of a major disaster or crisis, event, etc. The military's goal is to protect us, yet the current administration continues to cut missile defense spending, and the president is threatening to veto a bill with funding for F22's and F35 engines right now. Efficiency, and efficacy should be the goals of a lot of things but spending has to be curtailed at some point? Anything we do can be great if we continue to pour in an endless amount of money. But when do the excessive costs impeded on our quality of life and insurance/healthcare becomes so effective that its cost are so high that it actually has a reverse effect?

ahh sweet redemption, found the link to ad the poll the right way. Boo Yah

Seriously, if all business models didn't have to worry about posting profits, you know how much debt we would be in? I'd still own stock in worldcomm and enron. The great thing about having to make a profit, is that it ensures your business is successful and that only successful businesses continue to proliferate and prosper. How do we judge the success of a public healthcare option versus a private plan if they can just continue to work and not have to worry about being in the "red". I'm sure with an infinite amount of money they can be more successful than the private industry, but at what financial cost to the tax payer?

okay got tagged back into the sand box... Name one thing the government has ever done more efficiently and cheaper than private industry? ... crickets... crickets Anyone? Secondly, the government can't invest into money market funds, hedge funds, etc to make interest on their money. It's illegal. If that was the case then we could have a bigger push for privatization of social security.

I just stepped out of the sandbox, my play time is over, have at it bro!

So you're saying the government is going to pay 98% of my medical costs on a bill that large? I just don't see it happening... And I'm not sure I would have got all the necessary tests or the follow up care as I did on the private system. Unfortunately a lot of the medical bill isn't even written yet, so only time will tell. I hope we don't have a public healthcare system, but if we do, I hope its as good as you say it is!

Literally LOL'd when I read that

Justin, we agree on something!!! I didn't want it to be a partisan debate, granted I quoted limbaugh and karl rove, but thats because they had made comments regarding the side of the issue that I was trying to present. Unfortunately because our country only has two major political parties, right now the bill is being pushed by the democrats and opposed by the republicans.

I don't get the rush story you posted? They interpreted his words, he didn't actually say Obama is the reason why he cheated on his wife. The huffington post, please... As far as Ingenix goes, let me give you some better background information. Me in motorcycle accident: 10K in hospital bills... I pay for insurance through my work and my wife's work to eliminate costs. I know I know, whoa you have two insurances? The difference between two private insurances and a private and public insurance is that a primary and secondary private insurance, BOTH pay for the cost of my medical bills, not one or the other. So after 10k in medical bills, you know what I paid out of pocket? Roughly $200 bones. Tell me the government is going to do a better job than that? I'm sure I wouldn't have received a contrast IV immediately to check for internal bleeding and hemorrhaging... Ingenix in their form was acting as an arbitrator for the insurance company trying to see if some other insurance company should be responsible for paying out my bills, i.e. my auto policy. So I would have been covered either way, but it was proven that it was their responsibility to pay for the medical damages. I didn't want my autopolicy to pay for it, because my rates would most likely go up if I have a claim there, where as my rates for healthcare stay the same if I make a claim.

As I'm sure some of you have seen we've had a serious debate in another thread on public healthcare. Please feel free to read the opposing views as there is a lot of good info from both sides available. Just curious to see how Ohio Riders feel about this issue... Should we have government provided health insurance? yes? no?

haha I posted a link to a ron paul video on healthcare and his views on the system some 40 posts ago? He had some good points on why the system is broken, and I think he knows well because he was a doctor for quite some time before becoming a politician.

You're about as Christian as the Pope is Muslim. Just cause you have two wheels doesn't mean you're a motorcycle. I don't get your link to the new york times article? it wasn't a misquote and the full article did nothing to recant anything that I posted, just had some political jargon from Obama. If you can quote Obama who's more vested in this than anyone I can quote Limbaugh. I'm pretty sure he's more educated on the issue than both of us. And I don't let Limbaugh speak for me, he just happens to agree with a lot of my opinions, not the other way around. Also I referenced the NEW YORK TIMES one of the most liberal papers in the U.S. I didn't see you referencing any conservative view points supporting your argument? Algebra: I'm not sure where you gather your algebraic equation but it doesn't add up. Right now, my private option costs me less than the estimated tax option plus my private option or minus my private option. I also like the idea of paying my private option to receive better care than purported holier than tho' government option. Your argument is the system is broken so we must have progress for the sake of progress? Sometimes progression can be a step backwards. Seriously tho', I'm done... I'm not going to waste any more time on this argument, we've both supplied endless amounts of information for people on this forum to read and I'll allow them to form their own opinions.

Final Arguments and I rest my case: Unemployment: I’m not pissed that everyone’s collecting it, I’m just pissed you’re collecting it, because you seem to have an affinity for wanting things handed to you. Maybe if you spent as much time and effort into researching universal handouts, as you did into finding a job... You wouldn't be unemployed and then you could enjoy paying taxes like I do. You have “great” philanthropic ideas, but those ideas don’t fit with our economic model. Our country was founded on small government, not a big government that provided everything for everyone. It’s like you were the little kid in kindergarten that tried to put the square peg through the round hole. Japan: re-read on that, many studies I found said that the current system is delaying the inevitable and it will go bankrupt and if not, the cost to taxpayers will be overwhelming. “As the Japanese population structure changes, health care and long-term care costs will steadily increase. The current style of financing (pay-as-you-go) will create a large increase in future burden of these costs. This paper studies an alternative policy that prefunds the social insurance benefits for the elderly. During a transition process, the proposed scheme maintains a higher contribution rate in order to accumulate sufficient funds. Under our baseline scenario, the sum of the contribution rates toward health insurance and long-term care insurance increases from 5.06 percent of earnings to 12.41 percent of the same. The rate of increase in overall burdens, including taxes and subsidies, is 63 percent. Our sensitivity analysis has shown that the quantitative implications of the increase in total burdens depend on social cost scenarios, the labor force, and the interest rate. However, labor force scenarios do not have a considerable impact on the rate of burden. As against this, the setting of social costs has a significant impact on the same. Even under the most optimistic scenario, the rate of increase in total burden is 34 percent. Even though we cannot predict the exact amount of the necessary contribution rate that is capable enough to transfer the funded system, what we are sure of is that a significant increase in the contribution rate is inevitable. “ Tadashi Fukui, Yasushi Iwamoto NBER Working Paper No. 12427
Issued in August 2006 McDonalds: You’re wrong, because you’re model assumes they have an endless supply of food and an endless supply of workers to support the demand. Nope instead, some people die of starvation waiting in line for food. And others when they get their food, it looks NOTHING like it did in the picture because they put it together so quick it and smashed it all around. Better yet, they didn’t even have enough time to cook it and so even more people die, this time of E. Coli poisoning. Some people without insurance can already get it, they’re just too apathetic to do so: "You talk about the 46, 47 million uninsured. Fourteen million of them are already eligible for other government programs and haven’t signed up. Ten million are in households with household incomes of $75,000 a year and could afford it if they wanted to. Furthermore, an enormous number in that 47 million are not American citizens. Sixty percent of the uninsured in San Francisco are not citizens." So this 47 million uninsured number that the left and the media is always throwing around is disingenuous, it's largely irrelevant. They portray this number and it's grown from 42 to 43 million during the Clinton days, now it's magically up to 47 million and is just as accurate as their homeless number was inaccurate. So of the 47 million, they try to paint this picture that the system is so unfair and so mean that it's leaving 47 million Americans out, and it is not doing so.” - Rush Limbaugh And why don’t we turn to the AMA, the biggest doctor’s association that I know if in America, consisting of 250,000 members… lets see what they had to say about Obama Care: "The A.M.A. does not believe that creating a public health insurance option for non-disabled individuals under age 65 is the best way to expand health insurance coverage and lower costs," read an organizational statement to the Senate Finance Committee. "The introduction of a new public plan threatens to restrict patient choice by driving out private insurers, which currently provide coverage for nearly 70 percent of Americans." Without private insurers in the market, the statement added, "the corresponding surge in public plan participation would likely lead to an explosion of costs that would need to be absorbed by taxpayers." How are you going to feel about paying for people's healthcare who are drug addicts? People who smoke? How about obese people who refuse to diet? Should we still pay for their bad choices? What about the squids who don't wear helmets or jackets, you want to pay for their skin grafts? The great thing about our system now is that 99% of the time, if someone makes bad choices, they have to pay for them... Not me.

what statistics and figures have you given from these so called "industrialized nations" that prove your point? Why do sheiks from the middle east come to the United States for high profile medical procedures? Why does America have the best treatment rate for 14 of the top 16 cancers? I'm confused... I dont see anyone from the U.S. going to Canada to get radiation or chemotherapy? And you can't just stop paying taxes? unless I just stop working, and then I'd be just like everyone else with a hand out? Nah, I'd rather work harder so other people don't have to. I like McDonalds... who doesn't, right? Lets say you go to McDonalds and you want to order a big mac... BUT we gotta feed everyone, and the government option means you can walk in and get a quarter pounder for free, but you just don't like the quarter pounder, the onions don't sit well with your stomach and you want that special sauce. So you HAVE a choice to get the big mac, you just gotta pay for a quarter pounder for the schmuck behind you in line. BUT i mean Yeah. YOU STILL HAVE A CHOICE right? You got your Big Mac, you just had to pay for two sandwiches in the process