Yea, we had to be done by 5 and out by 6. After 6 they charge $1000 per hour, no way there would have been enough 3 hour teams to justify an extra hour. As for the duchenuggetts comment. I could never get comfortable on either, power was ok, couldn't get the thing to quit chattering, oh yea the damn cooling issues they all have. Everyone says they are a bitch to burp when you change coolant, the seal between the waterpump and oil pump are junk (which is what let loose on Todd's). Just not a big fan, don't really see the attraction.