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Too slow, young grasshoppa.

This story combines our 3 great loves... Motorcycles, guns and stupidity.

Driving offenses are relevant, bit not football history or the dead child.

I take back what I said before about how shooting when the truck backed up maybe being self defense. The bike should not have been behind the truck after 14 miles, so that counts as prolonging the confrontation = no self defense claim allowed. If they can prove the truck backed up then Mattingly should be charged with felonious assault too. Throw them in the same cell and let them figure it out once and for all.

Neither of their backgrounds are relevant, but I guess it sells papers.

Cite?

$50 Reeboks from Meijer are working out great for me for my 3mi runs. Back when I was running 7mi/day I had bad knee pain and wound up curing it with a pair of $200 Brooke Beast shoes that were selected with the help of the shoe specialist at Galyans/Dicks. I'm an overpronator, apparently.

Dunno if they would have any reason to keep it, but if they do then check GovDeals. I know the area - I'm a regular at that AutoZone. It's very quiet.

I've been running 3mi 3x-4x a week for calorie burning. I'm not going for speed or anything like that just now - just want the calorie burn. I run an 8:00-8:30 pace. I'm on a 2lb/wk fat loss plan that required me to be 1000 calories under BMR every day, so I don't have the energy to do anything really adventurous. When I was at maintenance weight of 195lbs (current 206, so 10-15 lbs left to go until I hit 190 and go back into maintenance mode) I extended the distances and was running 7 miles a day and 14 miles on sunday. This was about 5 years ago. I had no problem with energy levels because I ate enough to fuel the running.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/10/01/delaware-shooting-tied-to-road-rage.html The shots on the exit ramp may have been in self defense... But the shots in the autozone parking lot were not.

Interesting. In that situation the shot may have been justified when faced with the threat of a truck backing into him. Still, once the truck flees the confrontation is over.

I didn't hear yet - did they confirm he had a CHL?

Stillwagon > :sexytime: < Bubba, or whoever was willing to pay a couple cigarettes

You call the police and let them deal with it. You don't chase someone down and shoot them multiple times for something, ANYTHING, they did (and are no longer doing) Even if he tried run the biker off the road, that doesn't justify pursing the fleeing truck and shooting him. Exceptions, of course, are thing like the truck driver kidnapped a family member and is holding them in the truck etc, a felony crime that he is still committing. In the eyes of the law a confrontation is over once one party leaves and creates a separation of time and/or distance. If the other party follows then that the resulting NEW confrontation is on the follower. At the most basic level the purpose of self defense laws are to keep you alive - more specifically to accept that the natural human instinct is to preserve one's own life (or the life of an innocent), and to forgive those acts carried out under this instinct that would otherwise be punished. Once the threat to your life is gone, the person runs/drives away, then THAT IS IT. Self defense laws no longer apply. You are not a cop, you have no duty to pursue and apprehend. You have no business trying to apprehend. That why we have police officers. Drop a dime and stay out of it.

There is NOTHING the truck driver could do to justify being chased down and shot multiple times while sitting defenseless in his truck.

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2012/10/01/delaware-road-rage-stillwagon-charged.html Hmmm.....

I told the witness that he was charged with Felonious Assault and the reaction I got was disbelief. Took some convincing that there was no attempted murder charge. Yet. There were many witnesses - I see this pleading out at F2 OR being tried as attempt murder. No pleading down from F2 based upon what the witnesses are going to say on the stand.

While I was at the scene tonight there were two 10tv news vehicles. Little ones, not the live broadcast trucks. CRV or Escape sized vehicles. Smartly dressed black guy was out there with them - possibly a field reporter?

So, this is what the witness I spoke to said: So, that changes things. Regardless of what went on driving-wise, the driver was fleeing and the biker was pursuing. That can be no claim of self defense when you chase and corner someone and shoot them while they have their hands up and are defenseless. If the road rage portion was a mutual thing then charge them both - but the shooting is a completely different thing that was not, according to the eyewitness, any kind of self defense - it was chase-down and attempted execution.

I located an eyewitness. Talking now. Standby.

What do the Japanese call American cars? Wheat Eaters?

Thoughts headed his way again...

The court website uses POST fro its forms so I had to convert the URL to a GET style and plug in the right parameters to make this work... Works for me, let me know if it works for you too... http://webconnect03.civicacmi.com/delaware/court/lookup.xsp?in=ct&id=8a79812a91151ad234acc22455ab4822&login=guest&case=12CRA02087&view=summary&by=name&start=1 This is his case in Delaware Municipal Court. It won't stay here long - it will be dismissed w/o prejudice upon the grand jury returning a true bill indictment. Once that happens check the Delaware County Common Pleas Clerk of Courts website for the court record of the actual case. I like the Common Pleas website - they actually post the documents, not just an entry referencing that the document exists. I'll post a link once I find it up there. He was charged with Felonious Assault - Felony 2. Sentencing range for F2 is 2-8 years (http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2929.14), but there is a 3 year gun specification for using a firearm (http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2941.145). OR, in this case, if the firearm was fired while he was on the bike then it's a 5 year "Drive-by" gun specification (http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2941.146). (mandatory jail term in addition to anything else he gets) So if convicted he could get up to 13 years in jail, which would probably be a life sentence at his age.

You can't shoot someone to end a confrontation that you are a willing participant in.

They're both idiots. There should be charges for both of them. Of course the shooter needs to go to jail for a long time. IF the pickup dude guy was a willing participant in the stupidity for 14 miles then he needs to get charged with reckless op, disorderly conduct, assault etc, and then banned from driving for a year. The biker needs to get all the same charges, plus felonious assault with a firearm specification. One question: Why would the guy get out of his truck if the biker is already shooting at him? Did he not know? If I'm in a cage and a biker is shooting at me then they'd be roadkill in very short order. I'm not going to get out and approach him.