Like I said in the other thread, I used to feel the same as you, and have said many of the things you said in this thread. But as to your ghey comment, I think it also has something to do w principle. If the establishment is not going to support our right to carry (totally their right, no doubt) then we dont have to support their establishment. As to the original question.... 1. Probably around 2004 or so. Satellite installer that I did contract work for was under investigation by the FBI for card hacking and selling pirated DirecTV boxes. (not the small time stuff, big league stuff) They called me and started asking me questions. He got word of this. I ran into him at a local vendor on the West side of Indy. He threatened me, saying he would be waiting for me (with his buddies) outside when I was done. Definately a threat. You've seen me. Im not exactly Mr. bad ass. 2. 2005 or so. Sisters ex BF (loose cannon) came to my house in Westfield to pick up my niece. Was pissed because I wouldn't wake her up from her nap just because he showed up unexpected and said "jump". Was in my house throwing his weight around. Asked him to wait outside, and luckily he did. 3. 2005 Same sisters ex boyfriend. He was at a McDonalds in Westfield, pounding on the window of my moms car when my niece was in the car, threatening my mom. Cops were called. All these were pre CCW for me, so the gun didnt play a part, but looking back I definately should have had one. Like you, I also used to think if I minded my own business and stayed away from "bad part of towns", that I would be OK. "Stay away from the East or West side of Indy" was my mentality. I intentionally moved to the North side of Indy from Speedway/West side. But it was these things that caused me to talk to a friend who carried, to be enlightened, and to get my CCW. Threaten my mom? Yeah, thats gonna put me over the edge.