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The octane listed on the pump is the minimum r+m/2 ... If it says 87 it can be higher, it can't be lower. The companies never adjusted for the raise in octane with the slight raise of the added ethanol. That's the original point... 87 is 87 in Dayton now while columbus is 87 + the 3 boost of the ethanol

and this isn't my first drop today... I just decided to get up early and follow a truck around until he dropped.

My next trick today is to infiltrate a columbus terminal and acquire 7 loads of shell gasoline without any credentials of the Twic card that requires a fbi finger print/background check, or any of that cdl license with hazmat/tanker endorsement nonsense.... Who needs that stuff anyway.... i mean its not like its a likely target of terrorism so I'm sure anyone can just drive right in without question.

The weight is measured by the RVP (Reid vapor pressure) giving its measure in pounds. Columbus has 4 weights for summer/winter and transitions between. 13.5 winter, 11.5 transition, 9 summer, 10.5 transition. Kawi kid, yes non-ethanol is available, but not without its drawbacks, our taxes pay subsidies (kickbacks) to companies to use ethanol (To continue farmers production of it) and no price reduction on non-ethanol gas. If you really want it pm me and I will get you in contact with someone who can help. But then again I'm really not a fuel hauler, I just bought an 18 wheeler, painted Shell on the tank and drive around columbus looking cool...

The Dayton area including Springfield were both heavy industrial polution sites in their history, so I can only guess they have tighter regulation today is my guess. but the subgrade will make it's way statewide Over time as it saves the fuel companies $

No, premium gas by it's formulation is denser holding more energy And yes, premium fuel is more stable resulting in a more consistent burn.

The EPA isn't regulating the octane, they are regulating Dayton to 7.8 pound gas as it's base for a fuel producing less emissions which has an 84 octane rating. It is now illegal for us to transport 9 pound based fuel to our Dayton stores from Columbus. Prior to this the mix for Dayton and Columbus was 87 was 90% 87 base with 10% ethanol (100 gal = 90g of 87 and 10g eth) actually giving 90 octane Now the base is Dayton is: 90% 84 base with 10% ethanol resulting in a true 87 octane

A barrel of oil isn't all refined for a specific use. As it's refined it produces different products, gasoline equates 47%, while diesel is only 24% allowing for a higher demand. http://www.r3sciences.com/crude_oil_a_breakdown_of_re.html

Diesel fuel has a higher energy density than gasoline. On average, 1 gallon (3.8 L) of diesel fuel contains approximately 155x106 joules (147,000 BTU), while 1 gallon of gasoline contains 132x106 joules (125,000 BTU). This, combined with the improved efficiency of diesel engines, explains why diesel engines get better mileage than equivalent gasoline engines. Premium fuel is denser as well therefore containg more energy.

Wow, the typical jackass personal attacks... I don't consider myself a professional fuel hauler, I am a professional fuel hauler, for Shell no less. The point of the post to point out how octane between Dayton and Columbus are now different as of last month. Something you didn't know was going on behind the scenes because you are not in the fuel industry. The point of mentioning my bike was the same as what you stated... Trial of different fuels to pinpoint the best fuel for your bike. Especially if ethanol wasn't the standard when the bike was designed. Hot/noisy are side effects of running cbus premium blends in my bike regardless of the reason, trials of all three gave me that result with my bike, not the same for everyone but that was my result, not from a tank, but from 2 week trials of the same brand... I guess I should have followed up with... Results may vary... And the site you listed was a green site, so considering the source... It's like watching Fox news without research. And dense fuel by science alone does contain more energy. That's why diesel is used in locomotives, it contains more energy per gallon, equalling better mileage in cars and offering the power to move vehicles moving freight. Thus higher octane fuels which are denser do offer better performance and mileage. Just because 87 is recommended and it runs "fine" doesn't mean the best performance/mileage. Only trials of your vehicle will decide the octane that works for your driving/riding preferences. My post isn't to recommend any octane, I'm pointing out the new octane and density changes to gas in Dayton and Columbus fuel that recently took place.

So much bad info? Please do tell, I haul fuel all day long... Please explain where I'm wrong.

What octane do use? Are you sure? For Columbus and Dayton it's not such a simple answer, especially now.* Gas all comes to our distribution sites through the pipeline, so in the beginning all gas essentially is the same base product. Each company adds the own additives to make it a trademark blend when we load the truck.* Now add the EPA and profit and we begin our differences. EPA restrictions in Dayton for cleaner fuels allowed the gas companies to change the octane base fuel of 87 to what is now called sub-grade with an octane of 84 and a lighter 7.8 pound gas per gal versus the dense 9 pound gas in Columbus. Adding the 10% ethanol brings the octane up to a true 87 octane at the pump... So now the Dayton area will make more profit theoretically.* So what does this mean?* Columbus pumps say 87=90, 89=92, 91=94 Dayton pumps say 87=87, 89=89, 91=91 So what octane should you use? My GSX-R was made prior to ethanol as the standard when MTBE was the additive. 87 was the recommended for it back then, but find columbus 89=92 seems to work with my fuel injection system best... 91=94 makes her hot and noisy. Other notes... Ethanol sucks... Literally sucks water into it.... And the additives you see to rid your fuel add more alcohol, attracting more water. Instead of alcohol additives try startron it is an enzyme that bonds with water so it's caught in the filter.* Fuel with ethanol begins to oxidize as soon as it's pumped, so using gas from a gas can sitting for a week will not give the same performance as freshly pumped gas.* Few stations offer ethanol free fuel, but they are out the and with a few google searches you can find a few sites that list them, often you find then near stations near boating sites (boats=water=more ethanol water sucking problems) Ethanol added to your gas is not for performance and actually reduces fuel economy 20/30% over straight gas... It's for the green movement to sustain fuel sources, ethanol is not your friend.* And yes premium gas is worth the money, it is denser and your ECM can adjust to burn it correctly... It's density is it's key to better fuel mileage and performance.

Try 10-12 hours delivering fuel in Columbus/Dayton... I have plenty of time to see bad driving habits all day long... My list of complaints is long... But to hit your point on cruising in any lane seems to be that wonderful technology of the cell phone. People get so wrapped up in their conversations that they forget their other bad driving habits. Bad driving aside I do see some great legs in short mini skirts and more!

I'll b there 715 leaving now

Which old circuit city... I know of three off the top of my head...

I might go get it tonight!

http://www.bikebandit.com You can pull up your OEM schematics and choose OEM or aftermarket parts.

I carry a family of cobras hidden beneath my fairings while I ride... If I have a road rager, I toss him a cobra in his lap and watch in the mirror as they swerve out of control, normally ending in a Hollywood roll to a fiery explosion.

Thumbs up!

So whats the final word on this ride? Where and when? I can show about 445-500.

Tape some energizer bunnies together and you can keep going and going and going...

Who wants to get out for a ride? Skyline chili (Mill run, Hilliard... In front of Lowe's) by 730 tonight. Dress warm!

Just duct take the loose pieces and it will still look better than a cruiser!