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Dude, balls. I read about in another thread.

I put 102k miles on my Explorer in 2 years, which makes it faster than your bird. Too bad I sold it, I loved that thing.

Yes, they still run glass windows and all of that good stuff. The weight difference between the two cars is much greater than 100lbs I would say, especially having intimate knowledge of the competitors’ car. There is a lot more that the ZZP car has on it versus the other car. I don't think it's outlandish to call it a street car even though they remove the interior. Think about it, it adds another 200lbs, which now puts them in the 10.1x's - and with a proper 1.5x launch and traction they are back into the 9's. Not too bad, methinks. Especially for a car that still has a stereo, power windows, power steering, etc.

God no, only run the GM supercharger oil, part #12345982 You can do it yourself. There are instructions online, see http://www.clubgp.com ...and while you are asking yourself why I'm helping you it's because I don't want to see a 3800 suffer in your incapable hands.

Congrats dude!

God damn, you want me to do the n/a engines too? Fuck. You have a 3.8l, same as the LC2 but no turbo and related to the 3800 Series I in the exact same fashion (is yours called a 3800? I might have the re-name date wrong). In 1995.5 it was replaced by the Series II 3800 "L36." The 2004+ Grand Prix got the 3800 Series III "L26", same changes as the L32 sans the blower obviously. Other GM vehicles kept the L36. Before you ask, no, none of the parts from the 3.8 and the 3800 Series I are interchangeable to the Series II except the connecting rod bolts. There is nothing interchangeable to the Series III.

Nate, before you speak about his car, go to Michigan and watch him drive it on the street. I've seen it first hand, several times. He still does. Nope, but you and Cain should chill out because it weighs more than you think.

Heh, well let me shoot from the hip here. This may not be exact, but it's close: The GN's, Turbo TA's, T-Type Regals, etc all had the LC2 which was a factory turbo motor of 3.8l displacement. In 1989 GM replaced the "3.8" LC2 with the "3800 Series I" which, really, was physically nearly the same as the LC2 they just changed the name to fit their new four digit naming scheme. I'm not sure what the code was, I believe it remained LC2. In 1992 the Bonneville SSEi got the first 3800 Series I with an Eaton M62, coded "L67." In 1996 the 3800 Series I was replaced by the Series II and given the Eaton designed, GM cast M90 and kept the "L67" code. In 2004 the Grand Prix GTP received the 3800 Series III dubbed "L32" - major differences are drive-by-wire, a fifth generation Eaton designed GM cast M90, and powdered metal connecting rods. All other GM vehicles with the blown 3800 (Impala, MC, etc) retained the 3800 Series II L67 with no changes. The blown "L67/L32" 3800 Series II/III will be dead after this year, or possibly next, as GM reduces its stock of the motors. Blown 3800's have ceased production and all projects surrounding the 3800 ceased in January of this year. The non-forced induction 3800's will remain in production until 2006 and then will be dead in 2008 or possibly 2009 as GM reduces stock on these motors also. The 3800 will then be completely gone. Hey Marc, FYI, that red ZZP car that drives on the street went NINES tonight.

History always repeats itself, punk. I don't like you.

Yep, then you gotta race at a track of my choosing. Please, don't bother gracing us with your presence. I insist. We wouldn't want you pulling your ebrake on the dyno and almost killing Dyno Brian again.

Did you hurt your motor too, Sam?

Heh, yea, I was just thinking about that after I hit reply. Oops. Gimmie a break, I've only got like three hours of sleep.

Wow, no foolin'. The graph for that motor looks like it's having some serious ignition and/or fueling issues.

Good lord I hope not. That is one of the shittiest curves I've ever seen.

Maybe you should just race him and find out.

I never question when I get presents either! I love presents!

Haha what a shitty team. Luckeyes.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/bv/images/04_3800_sc-1.jpg

This thread has been cleaned up of the bullshit. I highly recommend that if you have a problem with someone completely unrelated to the thread that you send a PM or take it offline. Classifieds threads are NOT for venting and taking a shit on. Don't make me have to do this again.

Your ignorance makes me laugh. See above.

Except that the L67 is a much better platform in terms of the engine for making power. :finger: Yea dumbass, that's my title, and I'll defend it's honor.

Well, if it's a 3.8l and not a 3800 SII, the block isn't as strong.

Betta check yo'self, fo you wreck yo'self. http://www.zzperformance.com/latest_news1.php?id=64 This car drives on the street, on a stock bottom end. http://www.zzperformance.com/latest_news1.php?id=57 This car drives on the street, with a stock bottom end and stock heads. And they are both FWD. I did not demod because the car wasn't streetable. Don't ever put words in my mouth. You can commence to sticking your foot in your mouth anytime, thanks.

It's a bi-turbo, assholes. That's two turbo's in one housing.

I like all of you guys who are like "hey nice choice!" and "awesome dude!" and have no clue what kind or size turbo that is. Hahahaha tards.