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If the rights to his story is worth more than a million he made a smart move. Sign deal, use money to cut off growth maybe...

Surgeon gets their base salary, hospital gets the rest?

Thats like watching porn for the story line. :gabe:

I watch this show and feel I need to be flamed for enjoying it. Let the gifs fall where they may.

Nah, Im getting a donked mini van. Licence plate = da bauce

I do the same as Tim. Even though Ive never had any tickets Ive been pulled over a few times. I respectfully decline to give any information about myself outside of basic stuff. Cops have always been nice to me outside of one that called my mom a bitch when I was younger. They usually tell me I check out clean and tell me to be safe. Since I stopped driving the TA as my daily that never happens anymore.

Its was more of a walk up to you, take your backpack, and start going through it thing. We shouldnt have let them do that, but at 18 they intimidated us. I just started going home on the weekends to avoid the whole thing. It eventually escalated to rubber bullets and a big mess with daylight savings. I changed schools after that. My friend didnt fit the typical profile because his car wasnt a typical sports car. The officer however thought it was a sports car thus classifying him in the same category as the civic. Since the profile at that time would point towards imported cars being more likely to be involved in racing she acted. Since they were not in the act of racing she was basically stereotyping (which is just another word for assuming). Her actions in her mind were based on facts even though the end result was an assumption that the races would take place based on the cars involved. She didnt think she was stereotyping, she thought she was doing her job. The courts saw it as stereotyping. In college we were profiled because the officers knew kids on campus were more likely to have drugs and alcohol on their persons in the area of restaurants, clubs, and bars. Its the same way an officer is told minorities in SUV's near MT Vernon are more likely to posses drugs. The stereotype to that is all minorities near MT Vernon in SUV's have drugs. If the officer pulls over an SUV in this area for a random check its fine based on the profile. Using that profile as an excuse to violate rights is not ok. Having that profile gives them the right to pull the driver over and do a spot check for safety concerns as its their job.... It does not give them the right to search the car without permission based on that profile without a valid reason i.e. smell of drugs in the car. As you stated this is when the courts would get involved if an unlawful search lead to an arrest. In a typical conversation these days I wouldnt go into as much detail because my online time is limited (you guys should feel special, this is the longest Ive been on CR in 9 months lol!). The problem isnt profiling itself, its stereotyping as a result of profiling. Its the assumption of wrong doing with no evidence that leads to rights being violated. The problem is the officers think they are justified and reference profiling as their method when its really not profiling being used. Some of what Tim is suggesting I see as stereotyping, and thats that part Im speaking to. I would have to assume profiling turns to stereotyping at the drop of a hat in real world situations... That or the profile itself is based off of stereotypes. For the sake of the conversation I didnt take the time to differentiate as it was a nice back and forth debate. The separation was saying I am for profiling, but only when its done right. If you really think about it when you do it wrong its not proper profiling. The only way I can think of it being done wrong is mixing incorrect info with facts. Even that wouldnt cause the search it would cause the wrong person to be pulled over. I guess the bottom line we are all trying to get across is you cant argue facts. You can only argue what the people do with those facts. I've got a long day at work so I probably wont be able to be as involved with this discussion Its nice to have an adult conversation without people calling each other names and stuff. Thats usually all I see as I lurk on my lunch breaks. I understand where Tim is coming from, and I understand why Hal wanted to keeps profilings good name as it takes the blame by being grouped in with other things constantly. For Hals sake we should be debating if stereotyping is justified. I think we all agree that profiling (the non-racial kind) is good. Later guys

Hush :lolguy:

OU is seperate from the search and seizure. My friend won a case against the cop because she was in the wrong. She had no reason to search either car because they were not in the act, nor did he display any behaviors that would make her think that. In OU the police officers were pretty bad about searching people just in case. My crowd didn't have anything to hide (and were dumb) so we just let them do it. Looking back on it, we were stupid. I never even thought twice about that until now. I'm a little upset. My jimmies = rustled

I implied it but you're right. Its an over and misused term. Having a weed smell in your car and driving 90mph is why you got arrested. Not because you were being racially profiled. I even agree with Tim that its great when done right. I'm arguing when profiling turns to unjustified actions. In a perfect world the cop will have a valid reason, but this isn't a perfect world.

Most of the profiling I've seen in my life has nothing to do with race. Its mostly car type to area, and age. Going to college in OU you would think we were all drunk losers. My friend is a nerd who had a Honda accord at the time. No speeding tickets in his life and a baby on board sticker on the back. He pulled up beside the wrong kind of car at a light at the wrong time. Nothing more nothing less.

That is why we have courts, but they make mistakes too. When the people having their rights violated are of a lesser tax bracket poor representation is a biproduct. The charges were dropped for my friend. He said he was paid for his trouble thanks to his family lawyer. We still laugh about it.. the other week I changed his name plaque to B. O`Connor lol.

I'm guessing you missed the part where I said cops should use it, and I do it myself. I agree with you 100%. And thanks for agreeing with me. Profiling can not be used as an excuse to infringe on others rights. Its a shame that it happens to people all the time that don't know their rights.

There doesn't have to be a valid reason, the profiling makes it right.. having a valid reason removes the profiling and replaces it with proper procedure (even if it started as a result of profiling). I'm talking about the countless occurrences where the valid reason is replaced with a prejudice or past history that results in an unwarranted search and seizure. Stock cars here are profiled the same as modded ones. With racing, part of the profiling is it all happens at night. No street racer would be up for cars and coffee because they are up all night racing. There was a point after the George incident that we all had targets on our heads. Remember when f&f first came out? Every kid with a sports car was a street racer in cops eyes. My friend got pulled over for being next to a civic at a stop light. The officer called herself preventing a race and searched both cars for nitrous

I think the gap between our opinions are the actions taken as a result. I'm all for an officer using profiling as an initial observation to determine a possible threat level. I do it myself everyday. I'm not for that same officer asking to search a car simply because the driver has tattoos. I'm not for an officer pulling someone over (that's not doing anything wrong) because of how they look. Members here get profiled all the time and hate it. Just because we drive fast cars doesn't mean we street race. Its more likely because we have fast cars, but that doesn't give them the right to harass us just in case.

One of the best thank you threads I have seen. Have fun everyone!!!

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I remember you saying in another thread people should never give up their rights. By saying you support profiling you are saying you do in fact support giving up rights.. as long as its not yours. Profiling is annoying and a waste of time in most situations. Occasionally it gives results... but is that one time worth the countless people harrassed? The cases will probably support it working but thats only because the innocent people profiled wont have cases or evidence it ever occurred. We all profile, but using it as an excuse to infringe on anothers right will never be acceptable. -I dont sag my pants today because Im a thug. I do it because I gave a homeless guy my belt. -Im driving around the ghetto in a nice car because I made it out and come back to help.. not because I deal drugs.. -The group of kids with me (wearing the same colors) are a sports team on their way to dinner, not a gang...

I had a similar issue with time warner. Turned out be be a short in the hd cable.

Many of people are survived by a legacy that was the result of a mistakes or accident. Just because x-rays were an accident doesnt mean that person doesnt have a legacy. Granted, his history is very simple, but that beating brought upon a big change. The people that recorded it, the jury that said the cops were justified, and the people that fought for the change have a bigger part in it.. but King still played a role. I agree that legacy may be too strong of a word, but I cant think of another one now. Actually I take that back... His drunk speeding ass made history by being an idiot. Now when I get pulled over Im not as scared That sounds better than legacy.

Keep it clean and on topic. No kitchen stuff

Quoted due the extreme amount of excellence displayed in the keystrokes.

Im sad to say this, but I laughed. Mostly because I read it in this voice: http://static.tvguide.com/MediaBin/Galleries/Shows/A_F/Cq_Cz/CSI_Miami/csi-miami.jpg

He wasnt a complete loser. The bad decisions he made put a spotlight on profiling and police brutality. A lot of changes were made in the way police handled themselves publicly thanks to what happened to him. Legacy: The decison to speed from cops helped to make life better for people that were previously mistreated by bad cops for no reason. Now the cops are so worried about being recorded they do their job and nothing more.

A guy made famous by taking one of the worst ass beatings from police caught on tape. He didnt have bad luck, he made dumb decisions.