sol740

Would a reasonable person conclude that a pedestrian had reason to be alarmed by cars going fast on the freeway?

 

No? Then the cops wouldn't have reasonable suspicion to detain any of the drivers. It's a legal standard, it's not a free pass for cops to do whatever they want.

 

Would a reasonable person conclude that a gas station employee had a reason to be alarmed by a guy walking into the store with a gun?

 

Therein lies the legal challenge, and I'm fairly confident that the courts are going to side with the cops on this one. Especially since you yourself said you would be initially alarmed

 

I don't think anyone is arguing that the person who called the cops is or is not out of line, that doesn't matter.The argument is whether this persons rights were violated by the police, and as far as I can tell, they absolutely were. The amount of his lawsuit is patently absurd, but it's getting attention.

A few things make seem like a waste of a thread-

 

1) The link to a Super right wing "news" site, that proclaims "MAN ARRESTED" when he was never arrested at all.

 

2)When you look for more information, you can Google Ray Call, Raymond Call, Ray Call CCW, Ray Call Arrest.....the list goes on-and NOTHIGN comes up. Huh.

 

3) Reasonable suspicion as a legal term has less of a standard of proof than probable cause, and permits the officer to detain someone and frisk them for weapons. This is the set, match, and win here. Since no more info is available-we can’t determine whether he was in a private establishment or not (from the story, I would infer he was) but if a guy with a gun is asked to identify himself for the purposes of confirming whether or not he has a CCW, and he chooses not to just to be some internet hero-douche, then I am 100% happy the cops gave him the business.

 

You don't have to have a CHL/CCW to open carry. You do have to be under suspicion of having committed a crime to be detained. In order to be detained for suspicion of Disorderly Conduct you'd have to meet the requirements of having committed an act of Disorderly Conduct, which he never did.

A crime doesn't have to be committed for an officer to have reasonable suspicion that one was.

 

If your girlfriend calls the cops and says that you hit her, they can detain you until they ascertain that she's lying. Totally legal, no crime was committed.

 

The crime in your example is assault, or suspicion of. What is the crime here?

What crime did he commit to warrant reasonable suspicion?

This is still basically new, bought it in February, and have less than 100 rounds through it. This has been a great carry revolver, I just want a full-size revolver for the collection now. I've been carrying my FN almost exclusively. Will come with a couple speedstrips and 20 hollow points. This is the 357/38.

 

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k21/sol740/e80c88fe-7151-46fe-a1ff-fec5320219a7_zps5982c840.jpg

 

$600 OBO, must be an Ohio CHL holder, and I will ask to see it.

So not only was he not arrested, but he was not charged with anything?

 

 

 

I don’t see the problem here, not feel bad for the little dweeb.

 

He was charged with obstruction, and it was dropped, likely because they realized it would probably be tossed. The "problem" is the police cannot detain you without suspicion of a crime. You are under no legal obligation to identify yourself without that suspicion. Open-carry of a firearm is not a crime in Ohio if you obey the federal limitations, and private property laws. You cannot be charged with "Disorderly Conduct" without committing some kind of crime. Since carrying a firearm on your person in the open is generally not a crime, the officers citing of the ORC is incorrect. As such the officer has no authority to detain Mr. Call against his will, and proceeds to do just that.

 

Didn't watch video, but 2 important things need to be addressed;

 

Did the store have a clearly posted no firearms policy? Even if they didn't did they ask him to remove his firearm from the premesis? Or did they ask him to leave the premesis? As a business, they have the right to refuse service and demand that he leave. If he was asked to leave and didn't, or didn't remove the firearm from the premesis, then the police ABSOLUTELY have the right to detain and question him, as there is reasonable suspicion that he was trespassing. Even if he wasn't, it's the police's job to find out if he was and to do that they need to identify him.

 

If this happened on public property, I am 100% supportive of the lawsuit, but private property changes everything.

 

I can only speculate, but if they had been posted, than he could have been, and given the situation, would have been charged. Same applies if he is asked to leave the property and he refuses. Since he was not charged for either, we can only assume that the scenarios would not apply.

How dare we expect the police to understand the laws they're paid tax dollars to enforce, that's just ludicrous. As far as the ridiculous amount of money he is suing for, mock it if you will, but the police have demonstrated, in this and many similar videos, a complete and total lack of understanding when it comes to open-carry, and even concealed-carry laws, or basic identification laws. Even beyond that, just how you get to treat a citizen who has committed no fucking crime. Only through this type of action will they re-learn the things they're already suppose to know.

So everybody else paused it on yellow-shirt right?

Jokes on you fools. God is on her fucking side, and he is taking the names of everyone on Reddits and is going to fuck their shit up. He used those words exactly.

Ah, the old premature evacuation.

The greatest generation ... of moochers.

Awesome.

No no no, we live in a world where you are constantly in danger because of crazy firearms enthusiasts that attend gun shows to sell illegal cop-killer assault weapons back and forth to each other, chock to the brim with high capacity magazines and Teflon coated bullets.

Try out SWFA's website, some good stuff there on the cheap. I run a Millet TRS-1 and LRS-1 on two of my guns with no issues.

 

I love my TRS-1, it's on my 700 .308.

Dem zombie titties.

My Bologna does in fact, have a first name.

 

I declare this man the winner.

You could say ... he really got chopped up by the giant blender today, LOLPUN, AMIRITE?

I'm going to fuck the fear-turkey!

I totally didn't watch that and laugh the whole time ... :whistle:

Where can I sign up for even more federal government all up in my business? It's the compromise I've always wanted.

Ah, sarcasm. It escapes you.

 

Stupid internet and its lack of inflection

Oh, please quote me more of your regurgitated Econ 101. I find it so insightful.

 

I feel so jealous. I will run around and throw apples at peoples heads and sceam, Physics! Better yet i should light fire crackers and throw them at people and yell, Chemistry!

Maybe then my knowledge of 101 classes will impress others as yours has me.

 

So a seller having a price you can choose to accept or not, is analogous to having apples and tiny explosives tossed at you?

Do want to see.

Just slow down and let that psychopath move along.

Edit ... beat me to it.