nurkvinny

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/we-ask-president-obama-support-law-abiding-gun-owners-time-tragedy/VBpRRMPR#

Turn in all stupid, unsafe, jallopy turbo-hoopties. You are more of a risk to society than my guns. There is no fucking reason for you to have one. See the problem? You can easily drive a stock Geo Metro and get to your location. There is no reason to have a 150mph+ trapping car. I want to ban them because of isolated incidents caused by an evil man in CT. See the stupidity to take my guns that I own lawfully because of someone else's actions (that were already illegal?)

I have twice as many bows as guns... bring it on.

To add. The Swiss are actually required by law to store *I think* 4000 rounds of rifle ammo and be trained on their government-given rifles.

I did. But only b/c they were $9.97. Alas, everyone is too late on Twinkies.

Good luck at this point. LOL at anyone over the past few months talking down to everyone who saw this coming. Friday just sped shit up 5 fold.

I hurled Saturday night. I am fairly sure I lost.

I saw that a while back and loved it, just couldn't justify the cost.

That's the thought I was trying to get out of my mind. But, at $9.98/50, it was a smart move (I realize you're likely talking about a little more expensive round).

Yep. I felt a little weird buying as much 9mm ammo today as I did, but it was cheap, and I doubt I will ever be able to buy it that cheap again.

If OP does not want the safe, can you PM size and price, please? Thanks

He's saying a violent autistic child is rare, not that autism is rare, FYI

Teachers armed in Texas (at least in one school) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/29/us/29texas.html?pagewanted=all%3Fsrc%3Dtp&_r=0

Concealed carry in MI made legal in schools less than 24hrs before CT shooting. http://www.freep.com/article/20121214/NEWS06/121214074/In-Michigan-supporters-say-new-gun-law-could-help-stop-tragedies-like-Conn-massacre

Yep. Short piece of wooden handle or similar shoved into your ear and carefully put the other end on each accessory until you find the cause. My guess is the new tensioner.

From another forum. Recent events in Connecticut have prompted a flow of emotion on US soil that hasn’t been felt since 9/11. The mere thought of an act that reaches the level of evil that was seen in that elementary school is one that can bring the most stalwart of us to tears and something like that is bound to provoke strong emotions and strong reactions afterwards. I first want to give my sincerest condolences to the families of those who have lost so much recently. There is nothing that will make their pain any less or to make the violence make any more sense. All we can do is help each other to get through this traumatic event. It has no doubt changed the lives of hundreds of people forever. I really don’t want this to sound like the obligatory “sorry for your loss first” statement before I broach another subject, but I’m afraid that’s how it will come off because I am personally motivated to express my thoughts on our future after this event. Regardless of what I say after this and regardless of my opinions, I just want to reiterate that my first concern and my first thoughts have always been with the families and the souls that have been irreparably damaged by this event. God Bless every one of you. The first instinct after an event like this has settled a bit is to figure out how to prevent it from happening again. This is where this conversation has started to turn and it is where it is going to stay for quite some time. I agree with this. We should do everything possible to prevent something like this from happening again, as these types of events have been happening more often and at an ever increasing pace. What differs between people today is how to best combat this type of behavior. The solution to this problem, I believe, lies in two separate areas. The first is the behavior. What causes someone to behave like this? What motivates them? What pushes them to do this? The second is the tools. In this case, it was firearms. Is there anything we can do to limit the carnage that someone such as this could do? Let me take this one area at a time, if you will indulge me. A person’s behavior is something that typically follows a path that can be predicted. Sometimes this is an emotional path and sometimes it is a logical path. This is how most of us live our lives. Our actions make sense to those around us. For a select few however, this isn’t true. Their brains make connections and leaps that most of us cannot even fathom. These people are the outliers; the statistical oddities that you cannot always predict. The truth is this is a statistical fact. Throughout 200,000 years of human experience there have always been these outliers that will take actions that most cannot think of. It’s a simple fact of living life with genetic randomization. A select few people will come out flawed. I think the effort in this area needs to be directed at prediction. In all cases, even this one, there will be signs that were apparent before the event that either no one picked up on or were ignored. Most of us realize these signs as obvious after the fact but for whatever reason didn’t pick up on them ahead of time. I think this is because of our belief that people don’t do things like this. Even if we see the signs we will deny the possibility that this person that we’ve known so long could be capable of an act so evil. So, we push it aside. We may keep a closer eye on them but no more. We don’t want to ruin their lives over something that may or may not happen. The outliers will always exist so we need to be better prepared to identify them before they decide to break the moral fabric of our lives. I don’t necessarily think that legislation will fix this problem. The last thing I would want to do is limit people’s freedom. That would violate what this country is about. I think this is an education matter for the general public as well as a task for the mental health professionals in this country. Before I finish this part I want to thank all of the mental health professionals and vigilant people out there because I am sure that at least a few tragedies like this have been prevented by their actions. We just don’t see it because it goes largely unnoticed. Thank you. Now, for what has become the largest part of this discussion; the tools. I’m not going to blame the weapons because they did not commit the acts. This is not an act of “gun violence” as so many gun control advocates like to spout. This was an act of total evil, regardless of how it was carried out. Would it be any less tragic if it was carried out with a bomb or a car? On the opposite side of the coin, are the guns that US Navy Seals used to kill Osama Bin Laden evil? Just as with any tool, a gun can be used for good or evil. I would like to talk about the main points in this discussion and provide my own views on each of them to hopefully shed some clarity on these issues. The first is the emotional gut reaction. After something like this everyone wants something to blame and that’s normal. The shooter is dead by his own hands so we cannot have the gratification of enforced justice. That leaves us with either the vague idea of mental illness or the tools that he used. Guns are easy to blame because of this. They become easy prey because it gives people something to blame and something to do to make themselves feel better. I understand this viewpoint but would just like to point out that this puts your focus in the wrong direction. This would be akin to trying to ban planes after 9/11 or restrict people’s use of cars after a horrible drunk driving pileup. The reason we don’t jump to those conclusions is because we depend too much on those tools. Planes are not viewed as disposable and neither are cars. Guns are, however, to many Americans. You would be hard pressed to find an American that at some point doesn’t depend on a car or a plane. There are a significant number of Americans though who don’t depend on a firearm every day. This makes them appear as disposable. The truth is that they aren’t. Not only are they necessary as our founding fathers thought, they cannot be un-invented. They will always exist. You can’t magically get rid of them. For those who have this view due to an emotional need to blame something, please try to stop for a minute and think about what I have to say. It just may change your mind. Second is access to guns. There are other countries that have laws requiring firearms to be locked in safes, stored at gun clubs, or even disassembled if they are to be kept at all. While this makes is marginally more difficult for a criminal to gain access to a firearm it doesn’t solve the problem. A person who has decided to commit evil isn’t going to stop just because they have to open a safe or assemble the gun first. What laws like this do accomplish is they make quick access to them in a personal self defense scenario impossible. What do you do if someone breaks into your home and your handgun is locked in a safe and unloaded? You do nothing is what you do. Just because some Americans decide to not have ready access to a firearm for personal protection does not mean that those of us who do should be penalized. Third would be types of weapons that are available. This is probably the subject that aggravates me the most because no one that wants gun control seems to be knowledgeable themselves on how they work. The term “automatic weapon” is thrown around a lot and it makes people immediately jump to military grade weapons that can shoot multiple rounds by holding the trigger. No mass shooting in recent history has been done with one of these weapons. These types of weapons are already highly restricted and those that legally own them do what every responsible gun owner does and that is keep control of them. The weapons that are used in these shootings are aesthetically similar to military weapons but in function they are much different. These handguns and rifles are “semi-automatic” which means you have to squeeze the trigger every time you want to fire a bullet. This isn’t new technology that is making it easier to kill. Just because an AR-15 rifle looks like a military M-16 doesn’t mean it does the same thing. Semi-automatic weapons have been around since the early 1900’s. The way these weapons operate hasn’t changed in over 100 years. Their look has. The difference is what people are deciding to use them for. Even the Assault Weapon Ban in 1994 didn’t ban AR-15 rifles. It banned features on them such as a sliding stock for length adjustment. It changed their look, not how they functioned. These weapons are not “assault rifles.” They are modern sporting rifles. By military definition a weapon has to be capable of fully automatic fire to be an assault rifle. These are not. Actual assault rifles haven’t been used in any mass shooting. Restricting the types of guns we own will not fix the problem. It’s a tool that’s been around in roughly the same format for over a century… The fourth issue is the 2nd Amendment. In my opinion this is the only argument that is needed. The 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting or personal protection from an everyday assault. No one in their right mind during the founding of this country would have ever thought you would need to enumerate a right just to hunt. The second amendment is specifically designed to give The People the ability to defend themselves from any force including a foreign invasion or a tyrannical government. Regardless of the opinions on how likely that scenario is it is a fact of the founding of this country. If at some point the government becomes too oppressive and too overpowering then The People need the resources to combat that in order to remain free. With that argument in mind, we need arms that are equal to that of our own military. This was the designed purpose of the 2nd Amendment. We cannot defend ourselves against a fully armed military force with bolt action rifles and muskets. Placing restrictions or bans on AR-15’s, AK-47’s, or any other military style rifle is a direct violation of the 2nd Amendment and an affront to the founders of our country. The fifth and final issue is freedom versus safety. As a broad generalization this is what most gun control debates boil down to. There are people who are willing to give up some freedom in exchange for safety. There is an inherent flaw in this argument though. The freedom that gun control advocates are willing to give up is a freedom that they do not themselves exercise so they are essentially giving up nothing and trying to speak for those who would be giving up the most. To make matters worse the safety that is exchanged is a false sense of security. People who are societal outliers and are committed to performing acts of evil will not follow the law. All of the regulations and rules in the world will not stop them. The sense of safety is an emotional feeling that creates false hope. Guns were banned from the school in Connecticut and the school had a lockdown procedure in effect. That didn’t stop what happened, nor will it ever. We are not talking about law abiding citizens, nor are we talking about everyday criminals who commit random assaults and robberies. Even they have some sense of morality. We are talking about outliers whose actions cannot be predicted and whose motives make no logical sense. These people will steal what they need in order to fulfill their mission. Due to the small number of people like this we are talking about a 1 in 50 million occurrence that will always be a 1 in 50 million occurrence. Laws and regulations will not stop these outliers from committing unspeakable acts. So, if the safety provided by laws is an illusion and statistically there will always be people like this willing to commit evil acts then what do you do about it? That becomes the $64,000 question. The solution is simple. You fight it with freedom. You fight back. You are talking about an enemy to our safety that cannot be predicted and will be completely random. You be prepared to stop them. Keep a rifle in the main office of schools, allow the teachers who have valid concealed carry licenses to carry in class, allow parents coming to pick up their children to be armed, and make every public place as undesirable of a target as possible. Start sponsoring gun safety and marksmanship classes in schools again. The mentality of active shooters in these scenarios points to them being cowards. Any time any resistance is given they usually take their own life. They want to end it on their terms. It’s about them exerting control over a life they feel they’ve had none over. Think about one question now, knowing what I’ve said here. If these weapon systems have been around for over a century and deranged people willing to commit evil acts have always existed… then why only recently have school shootings become so common? The answer is really simple. Over the course of the late 1980’s and 1990’s schools have gone from allowing people to have guns nearby to having zero tolerance policies on armed people on school grounds. In the 1970’s many high schools had marksmanship classes and clubs, kids would bring guns in for show and tell in elementary school, and kids would keep hunting guns in the trunks of their cars if they were going hunting after school. What we have inadvertently done is make schools a prime target for deranged people where they weren’t before. We have actually drawn these people to our children, because as disturbed as they are none of them are stupid. They are intelligent and they think ahead. They go where they will face the least resistance and where is the one place that restrictions on guns are the strongest? Ours schools. There are things we can do to help prevent these acts in the future, but we have to take our time and look at the big picture. We cannot knee-jerk to a reaction based on emotion and blame. We need to go back to our roots and ensure that we not limit our freedom as a people, so that our children can enjoy the ability to live their lives without fear and restriction. We have to protect them; not by hiding the truth from them or shielding them from the weapons of combat, but by being there as guardians for them and to stand against the evils of the world that will always be there.

It says you have no pride in yourself. It says you'd stoop to a ridiculous low for a few bucks. In easier to understand CR terms, I guess it says you're a bitch. Ha, I guess. It must be an awfully low bar to judge your life by if "not getting pissed on by a dude" is the red line that makes me better than you. Now, the chick in a shower thing, however...

If you're into the Tulammo ammo from Russia, Walmart had 9mm 115 GR FMJ tonight for 9.97 / 50. Mine shoots it ok.

No man is peeing on me for any amount of money. The fact that anyone would even consider it, even hypothetically, says a lot about them.

Among 1000 other reasons this country sucks compared to my grandparent's generation, I've discovered two more today. 1. That any American male would even contemplate getting pissed on by another dude for any amount of cash. 2. This bullshit - http://shine.yahoo.com/the-thread-how-to/meggings-male-leggings-wearing-them-185200978.html

Vances. 10.99 or 11.99 per 50.

According to most charts, I should weigh 150lbs. My Dad got down to that one time, and he looked absolutely ill. People asked him if he had cancer. I can't imagine 6'6 260 being overly obese. Many family members are 6'0" 220-230, and don't look fat at all.

She is a man. Lols were had.

I think they've represented themselves extremely accurately.

That is all.