Man, jbot, screwloose, and someone else I think would fit great on our Dayton twisty rides. Our rides are pretty fast paced most of the time, but we do it safely. And yes lots of us have our tires scrubbed in to the wall, but that just happens, we don't thrive on it. If you feel a group is too fast for you then ride your own pace and relax, they will wait for you. Your safety on YOUR bike is directly linked to your right throttle hand. How fast the bike goes is in your hands, not the leaders or anyone elses. Be safe and have fun in your own way, nobody elses. Sorry, this is my 1st time reading all this and I wanted to spill my opinion.