Moto-Brian

Actually, I am going to make him ride it after Mid-Ohio and the Pro Am event. He's gotta try real power...

Whoa.... Let's see... Where to start. Ok, first, I'm not wanting to sell the spares. They'll go with the bike. I think with the spares list and the set-up the bike has, it is worth it... I'll entertain offers, though... As far as ChrisOh - Yeah, looking at a new 750. Maybe a liter, but I still rather enjoy the 750 more. Like an FX 600... As far as the rotor deal - yes, the Braking rotors will provide better feel. They SLIGHTLY help with fade, but the full on floating set-up as opposed to the OEM is where the feel comes from. Definately a waste for street riding and are pure bling for that, but for track use, a needed set-up. I had them as they were legal for SS events, but now that they are illegal, I only run them for trackdays and SB events. The OEM ones were for SS classes... So, not selling spares, tell your friends this is probably the coolest track day bike you could own. Only a FEW 1000s piloted by expert riders (Todd and Etter) give me fits and it is simply a straight line deal - the bike is well set-up and handles well. Not excellent yet, but great nonetheless. Ask Drew how fast it is...

Ok, I have a 2005 GSXR750 race only. Details: -Salvage Indiana Title -Race built Superstock spec motor by Reuben Frankenfield - was his sprint bike -25MM fork kit w/ .95 springs. -Penske Triple rear -Ti-Force complete Ti system and cannister. -Woodcraft rears, clip-ons, case covers, and shifter and brake arms -Speigler lines -DynoJet PC III USB -DynoJet Quick shift -Vortex upper race stay -Vortex sprockets -EK520 chain -Professionally painted Sharskins -Vesrah SRJLs -Braking Rotors (I can sub out the stock ones if you want SS legal) -Lightened rear rotor -Ignition switch delete and keyless fuel cap -CRG Shorty brake lever - black -Quick clipped everywhere SPARES: -Complete set of wheels with rotors and cush. Currently have Braking rotors on the front and can swap for OEM ones... -OEM rotors -OPP M4 Emgo bodywork. Upper and lower only. Damaged and repaired, but still lighter than anything else... -Sharskin superbike tail -Gearing out to Wazoo. I have more than enough. -New 520 Gold link chain -Vesrah pads -EBC pads -Spare swingarm -Complete subframe -(2) Tanks. One is prestine, but the blue doesn't match. The other is a stock blue one with a good size dent in it. -Stock upper fairing stay -Spare guage housing -Spare fuel pump -Spare air ducts -Misc Spare Woodcraft rear set plates, replaceable shifter and brake arms, footpegs -New Vortex clip-on bars -Spare brake and clutch levers -Spare Master cylinder assembly including recervoir -Spare lower triple clamp -Spare Arrow Shorty Cannister -Spare Ti-Force Mid-Pipe -Spare OEM front calipers There's other misc stuff liek gaskets, etc. I was thinking $9000 obo for it all. I am seeing 04/05 600s for $7k and other 04 750s for $7-$8k with next to no spares. Pics:

It was a joke as most wouldn't even try it. They'd rather street race than track race... We could offer a prize or something, though... As far as lap times, I hit a :33 at the track day before the AMA event. It was luck really as it is difficult to get around quickly during track day events. I had a pull following Jonas. That helped, for sure... You'll nail 3/4 a lap at pace and then the last 1/4 hits traffic. Usually, :36s and thereabouts is what Drew and I seem to run together. He's getting quicker so now, I have to work harder. It's been cool watching him progress... We just cannot run around at race pace and watch customers. It wouldn't be the right thing to do. I plan on really trying at the end of these last few events to dial teh bike in 100%. I'm still struggling with the Michelins, but I'm close on set-up, I think. End of the day is a good time to try. However, I'm usually exhausted, too... My previous best time on the old pavement was in 2003 at low :34s and a couple of high :33s. That was on a 2003 750, though. I think :30s are easily a target. If I was to race the AMA Pro Am event next weekend, I think :30s would have to be run in the 750 classes to hang at the front...

We used to do high speed runs all the time out in the middle of nowhere. But, racing to and from a town is pretty F'in stupid. Wanna run for money? Sign up for an STT event and we'll run at lunch time. Whomever runs the fastest AVERAGE lap in 5 laps gets the pot. We'd have to work it out with Monte, but I think it could be done... 5 riders on track at a time and we'd do up to 4 sessions. Like a modified Superpole... Who's "fast" enough to try?

Here's the rains: REAR: FRONT: Here are the Michelin Pilot Races - again, PRC front... Set #1: FRONT: REAR: Set #2: FRONT: REAR: I have side profile shots of the Michelins, too. It's just a pain in the ass to upload files. Just PM with an email addy and I will email detailed shots.

Cool colorway. That exhaust has to be an ear bleeder, though, huh?

You're a fag. I gotta go to the Des Nations that weekend and so, I'm out. I'm pretty pissed as I was looking forward to some racing there. Oh, well... You better kick ass or I'll kick yours that following Monday. You'll do well there, Drew. Good luck!! I'll see ya Thursday before and if you need anything, let me know.

I also have two sets of pretty worn, but not useless Michelin DOT Pilot Races. The front is the PRC and both have really decent life left. The rears are 190/55 Medium compounds and would make someone some usefullness... I'd sell a set for $50 each. I can email pics or whatever. I'm going to supply pics of the rains so everyone can see...

I have a set of Pirelli Dragon Rains front and rear. Front is the 120 and the rear is the 180. For the 600s and 750s out there. The liter bikes should run the 195... Anyways, they are not the new geny Diablo Rains, but they are great nonetheless. They are used, but great wear and they are definately race quality and certainly an awesome choice for rainy track days. Anyone at the last two STT days at Mid-Ohio would understand what I mean... Anyways, I can get pics if needed. They retail for $380 and were used this season. I am asking $100. Pretty firm and can deliver as I drive all around Southern Ohio or will be at the STT events at Mid-Ohio. Anyone interested, let me know.

Jason's a good guy at Dept of Suspension. He gets pretty damn busy and it is wise to get to him asap in the morning. They won't assign us until we show as to what group we will be in. I'll probably do advanced the first day and move to "I" and "N" as the days follow. I have a buddy going Monday and I try and ride with them. I can move around, though. The other instructors are really good. They are definately worth following. Just go up to them and ask. They'd be glad to help out. If not, come see us. Talk to me before rider's meeting and we'll know where we are assigned. I can help point you to a good instructor to follow.

Yup. Who's this?

I'm with ya. Let's quit the back and forth. I think you get what I am saying and I think I get what you're saying. Plus, I agree - the R1 is one badass looking machine!

Drew and I will be there instructing. Well, I assume he's going to be there... Look one of us up if you need any help. I'm on a blue GSXR750 #10...

Before this gets into a pissing match, let me make some things clear. I DON'T know your riding background or your experience, but the remarks I made are based on the fact that we see so many riders who "think" they can tell and "think" they can ride to the level of the bike they own. The fact is that no matter what level a rider you are, on teh street, you cannot tell the differences outside aesthetics the differences in similar matched bikes. Between a ZX10 and a ZX14? Sure. Between a 1000 and a 600 in terms of power and midrange? Sure. But, you go and think that on the street you can tell the difference between 160 and 155 RWHP, you're crazy. Think you can tell the difference between a bike that has 5 more HP in teh midrange than another? You're nuts. Same with weight. Guys think one is heavier than another? They are all within 20 pounds of each other. They are within about 7-10 hp of each other. I'm not saying I can find teh difference, either. You give the elitist speach and say I am an expert. What I am saying is that I have enough experience racing these things, helping others who race them at a level that is AMA caliper and have been around builders of bikes that are top shelf AMA quality and understand the differences. I also see a LOT and deal with a LOT of riders in the field I work in to understand that a LOT of riders "think" they can. It isn't a slap in the face. I'm not calling you out. I'm simply trying to get you guys to be realistic. When I hear that the RGSXZX 1000 is better than the rest because the others don't have the same power, the others don't handle as well, the others this, the others that... You are stating an opinion that isn't actually based on solid testing. You base it on what other publications say, what the spec sheet states, and what your bias towards one brand or another directs you to. Plus, a lot of riders don't take the time to set their bikes up properly. Do you set your sag? Do you adjust the clickers and know what each click does? Most don't. We see it every track day. We try and help and that's what I am trying to do here. Make sure that the people who actually go to threads like this to make a decision can see the other side of the discussion. I've ridden GSXRs, ZXs, CBRs, and R6s at race pace on closed courses. I haven't ridden a 2008 GSXR100 or R1, but I have ridden a CBR and a ZX10 and I can honestly say that compared to the race bikes I have ridden in 2005 and prior, they are almost as good as those were only 3-4 years ago. They all are coming with the wrong springs in the forks - especially the 600s, but overall, they are getting WAY better and they are comparable to race bikes only a few years ago. However, take a 2007 GSXR1000 street bike and ride it at a track and then ride a WELL prepped Superstock 1000 with about 20 more ponies and weight stripped off and you can tell a difference... All I am saying is that unless you are an editor or an experienced racer with a LOT of background, you aren't going to come close to the limits of a street 600, 750 or 1000. Guys buy 1000s because they "think" they need more power. We have guys on 5 year old 600s smoking them at the track. If that is occuring, how can one say they can tell what's going on with their 1000 outside of asthetics and ergonomics? In any case, the best street sportbike is the 750 GSXR. A great weapon and an absolute blast to ride. Too often it gets left behind in tests and reviews and the focus is on 600s and 1000s. However, an average rider on a 750 will hang all day long with a rider on a 1000 and not have to work near as hard to keep pace...

They all are neck and neck and yes, they all pretty much know what's going on to an extent. The 600s all are similar for a reason. However, it is whomever gets to the finishing shop first who wins. It's why everything is pushinf towards lower center of gravity and mass placement. It's where all the aerodynamics are coming from, etc. They all are so damn close, that the differences are so small that it really is tough. The 08 GSXR will catch itself up, but teh new R6 will set another standard all the while the CBR and ZX6R will simply blend in. However, they will all be competitive in capable hands.

Then your comment about mid range, handling and brakes isn't valid. To YOU they SEEM a certain way. In reality, you can't really tell a difference and brand opinion is more of less how you judge - like most people about bikes. Fact is that most don't get to ride all 4 and do a true comparison.

Now, if you run a TRUE Superstock 1000, you're in the 185 range...

Yes, you can sample power at WOT, but not many can feel teh difference between mid ranges of one to another. Trust me, if you think you can, you can't.

I appreciate an honest man. You, sir are a rare bird in the motorcycle community. Enjoy that bike. You'll get used to it and become better at riding it and when you are ready, look us up at STT and we'll get you to the track and help you find even more from it...

I bet I can find a dozen guys who can outride you with them on a 600 and you on one of the "top" liter bikes. If you can tell all those things on the street, you're a superstar... Now, sure, windscreen I can say "OK". Comfort is a selective choice amongst riders. What feels good to you may not to another. Mid-range can also be found via a dyno, but I doubt you could tell the difference between the GSXR1000 and R1, for example by the seat of your pants. Plus, again, I really doubt you can tell the difference between brakes from the GSXR to the R1. The track is the best place for those things in capable hands than by some general guy who has an opinion. Not saying you can't do those things, but in general and to the point it is most likely close to 95%, most cannot find the same differences. If you were to NOT read a single article, see ANY tests amongst the big 4, or had any info on ANY of the bikes, you would be hard pressed to prove those points. Then, go out and run against a guy on a 600 who is a capable rider and be blown away on that chosen liter bike you are riding. Ability and skill will help in evaluating a machine. Opinions surely drive what we feel is good or bad, but honestly, there are few who can really tell.

Sure. It depends on your riding style and tire choice, but I have good starting points for both Pirelli and Michelin race tires. If you want street/track day tire set-up, I don't have any info... PM me.

But, at the end of the day, most cannot ride them at that level. If one would buy the CBR1000 and it was rated at the bottom under the R1, ZX10, and GSXR, does that mean that it isn't for you? I mean, if you took everything a magazine says (And a LOT of journalists aren't pushing them to the limit), it would be not applying to what may be best for you.

Any of you guys ride an 07 R1? WAY better than before. Not a lot, but all in the right areas. There are probably less than 3% of normal riders that can get the most out of a liter bike anyways. So, to say an R1 doesn't perform well from someone is kinda funny as they cannot truthfully give a solid side by side test in terms of performance... Even with the mags, the bikes are so damn close that in any normal person's hands, it is very slight. In a racer's hands, there can be differences, but I still say that if Spies were riding the ZX10, for example, he'd still be top two... It's pretty simple... In the upper levels of racing, you have guys that are excellent at set-up and can take a lower performing bike up in terms of competitiveness. I mean, the R1 wasn't too shabby this year in either Superstock or Superbike. Not Yosh standards, but not too bad. And, no one on here would be able to say it performs less than the others as they cannot ride it at that level. Buy what suits you as a rider. Some people like the GSXR because it fits them better. Some buy the R1 because it looks better. Some buy the ZX10 because it has the most stated HP. Some buy Honda because they feel it is the best quality. You get the idea. A ZX10 in most people's hands is NEVER going to be fully opened up and appreciated. Nor is an R1, GSXR, CBR, etc....

I'll get a count of what I currently have. I know I have the white airborne for women and a leather one. I'll check colors and sizes...