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This is unacceptable.

Nevaaar! The bailout (aka nationalization of GM) was the additional argument you presented as a rebuttal to an instance that makes Obama a communist. And, keeping with the same vein as my original argument (that if one item makes Obama a communist, then other presidents are also communist), plus the additional one you added (the automaker bailout) -- I countered with the bank bailout.

Again, you're wrong. Your Hugo Chavez quote was a rebuttal in a post where you QUOTED me, then presented an additional argument.

So, who broached the subject again?

Ummm, you turned this into a debate about bailouts. And speaking of semantics - moot. The whole genesis prior to your input was about baseless opinions, and how I'm hypocritical. So, if you'd rather return to that and highlight my rampant hypocrisy, I'll gladly continue to take the ribbing on that whilst I pick and choose what positions I care to defend since I need some stimulation today. This IS the interwebz afterall.

No, the only opinion was the 'potatoe, patatoe' debate, but we can get dive into the nitty gritty of that if you REALLY want to - which is why I asked you for your relative definition of 'ownership' that you neglected to answer. I have some time today.

What do you consider "ownership"? As far as I'm concerned, loans vs. stock offering is a 'potatoe, patatoe' argument when it comes to the gov't. Each were structured to provide the necessary economic benefit intended, and are not intended to be for indefinite periods for payback on the 'investment'. And since I'm kinda sorta in the industry, I actually do think we avoided a lot of additional economic hardship by allowing GM and Chrysler to pay their tier 1 (which in turn paid tier II and III suppliers), which also benefited a lot of the Japanese and European, and Ford since many of the sub-suppliers are the same. It wasn't about just GM and Chysler, but their thousands of suppliers and the people they employed as well. This also kept the suppliers doors open, production volumes higher, so the MSRP on your BMW, Ford, or Honda didn't jump up $6,000 because the sub-suppliers can't afford to eat the cost of the production volumes they're originally tooled for. Margins are typically pretty slim in the auto industry, which are only made up through volume, niche vehicles, lean production, or trucks ('Merica!) That, and the auto industry bailout put GM and Chrysler on equal footing as the other automakers in regards to labor costs. Since those other companies have gov't healthcare, that's an expense they don't have to bear. So, now the American companies don't either -- which sucks for the American blue collar guy because that's going to be an additional expense out of his or her pocket instead of the large corporation's pocket.

So obviously because one action was taken in one industry for a certain time period to prevent an economic catastrophe in that sector, Obama is a communist. Got it. So, explain the Wall Street bailouts initiated by Bush? Is he a communist/marxist too?

As long as you acknowledge that. And water tastes like bread. Though I try to have some validity, fact, expertise (either personal or professional), academic, or scientific backing of my opinions. Not necessarily, I'm more than open-minded when it comes to viewing issues, but "Because I said so" or "because that's what *I* think" without supporting information are ignorant opinions and not worth respecting or listening to in the least, save for the very few issues where you just have to agree to disagree because they don't have solid or credible supporting information either way or are moral/ethical issues. So, for example, calling Obama or any politician a Marxist, Communist, or whatever without an understanding of those terms in the entirety, just because some traits of their ideology fall inline with some of the philosophies is nothing more than exposing your own ignorance. And using that psychology that because some ideas overlap between ones personal ideology and that of another makes them one, then that would make almost EVERY president a marxist, communist, or whatever ideology you're trying to bias as negative in the Obama example. It's old, tired, and immature at best because it shows a sore lack of education on the issues. But of course, that's just my opinion, because I said so.

I don't blindly follow anyone charles from Salem, not even the "communist in chief". The baseless opinions you spew are middle-schoolish.

The difference is I'm sarcastic 90% of the time.

Marxist America hater. Do you ever hear yourself talk?

Presidential candidate Bachmann promises gas under $2.00/gallon if elected http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/17/presidential-candidate-bachmann-promises-gas-under-2-00-gallon/ She'll wave her GOP fairy wand and gas will magically drop to $2/gallon. Economics be damned. Yea, she's not crazy.

The poor like taxing the rich less than you would think http://www.economist.com/node/21525851?frsc=dg And here I was in the aspiration/"Maybe I'll be rich someday"-camp to try to explain some of the people that aren't rich but support tax breaks for the "job creators", but I guess this makes sense too: The "As long as I'm not last"-camp.

Jbot does keep a pocket full of them puppies. I just don't know if he'd share his lunch with a bear. Regardless, he's probably in the clear, I've heard on good authority that bears don't like teriyaki and rice.

Who's got that rep? I ride w/ all slow guys, especially..... *cough* ----- ^^^^^^ and *cough* ---------vvvvvvv

That involves prepping the SV. Besides, why ride around my shitty $4k bike, when I can ride one I'll never be able to own on their tires, gas, and wear & tear? They're both vtwins, so it's 'like' being on my bike, with an extra 40 ponies.

I know I've paid less taxes on my income since 2008. So...damn those "tax and spend" Democrats and all the bailing out of Wall St, and starting those decade-long unpaid for wars, and not catching Bin Laden, and not creating more jobs in 2 years than in the previous 8. Stupid Obama.

This may be my only chance to be a backmarker in MotoGP! I gotta get packing.

Did I miss how old this cougar was? I'm always looking for a sugar mama.

That's what his mouth feels like when it's around your memberrrrrrrrrr...ship to Ohio Riders - that's how he earned that nickname. Or so I'm told. :p:p

Meh, I ordered it. I've purchased dumber things for $10.

It means you need to learn how to use the search function. http://www.ohioriders.net/showthread.php?t=12775 http://www.ohioriders.net/showthread.php?t=26137