My point is this, I wasn't calling anyone out, it's like the mayor asking to freeze the unions increases for a year instead of doing layoffs to offset the budgetary concerns, but the unions don't want to give up their money... they can't see the common sense to put off the "raises" for a year and keep more people working... they'd rather put the pressure on for more money and less people working... it's the whole I'm gonna screw you before you screw me principal... now harley is making adjustments to the demand, and everyone wants to say "oh the poor american worker" well just like at ford and GM, maybe the workers are getting way more then they deserve? anyone think about that? UAW workers get upwards of 70 dollars an hour to drive screws into metal, and most of that work is done by robots... whereas the workers at honda and toyota, make around 20-30, and they are still working!!! see the point? if the workers weren't so greedy the companies wouldn't be in the position they are now.... and it's thier own fault for letting it get this far... and this is coming from someone who is a UNION member! I'd rather be working for less money then NOT working for ANY money.... but the unions don't see it that way. And so if I was working a union job, yeah I'd be making the chedda' but in 3 months when the project was over I'd be making ZERO! until the next job came up... so, maybe just see it from another perspective, and you'll understand that a smaller harley, is way better then NO harley at all....