at least I know who is man enough around here to back up what they say.... and I guess that's really the point I was trying to make earlier, if you are gonna say something on here about someone else you should have the respect, (and for lack of better words) the balls to say it to them directly and face the consequences. I have never said anything on here "behind" anyone's back and if I said it to your face I am man enough to take a beating if I have it coming and that person can deliver it... I don't go around saying shit in private... I'll tell you right to your face (mcLovin) I think that you are dead wrong in defending this shit talking behind others backs, you are dead wrong to "read into" what the hell Max meant by his post.... and I'll back that as far as I need to... meaning I stand for what I say and I'll take my lumps if I'm wrong... I really don't see you guys, that this whole shit storm is about, accepting any responsibility at all for things you have said.... therefore I'm left to assume you have no honor, no character, and no conscience....