i still don't know why you keep referring to it as a "fast paced group ride"...i've said it before on here and before we start a ride, leave your tape measures at home because this isn't a dick measuring contest. i'm not trying to start shit by saying any of this but these rides are open to anyone that wants to go is more than welcome and shouldn't have a fear that they are in for a balls to the wall everyman for himself race. even though some of the group will take off out front, we don't leave people behind that don't know the area. the cleveland guys and dayton guys that have been with us all seemed to think we did a good job on keeping the 1 large group together even though it broke down into 3-4 small groups as the ride began.