YSR_Racer_99 Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Sold an 8-9 year old Creative Zen Vision M 30gb mp3/ media player on ebay. Worked fine the whole time I had it, worked when I sent it, worked when the buyer got it (per his own comments). This model requires an "accessory block" be plugged into the bottom of the unit to attach the Creative charger as well as media connectors (video/ audio outputs). Buyer contacted me a week or so after receiving the unit, stating that he had "plugged in the charger without using the accessory block", and that the unit "got really hot, and its still hot after 15 minutes". The ONLY other place that the round charger plug could possibly fit on the unit is the headphone jack. He apparently baked the unit. He filed a claim with Paypal via Ebay Buyer Protection, stating that the unit was different than what he won (???). Paypal puts a lock on my account while the dispute is reviewed. Buyer and I had communicated solely via Ebay messaging, so it was all in their system, but I kept PDF copies, and attached them to my response for the dispute. I wake up to an email this morning from Paypal stating that he gets all of his money back once he returns the baked unit to me. I call Paypal service, and talk to a guy (he did not process the original dispute). He asks me to give him a moment to read through everything, puts me on hold, and comes back with the proper conclusion (that the buyer killed the unit), "but I can't reverse a decision once its been made. Sorry". He says that he'll put in a request for Paypal to credit me $50 (the unit sold for $60), "but it will be reviewed by management, and there's only maybe a 50/50 chance that they'll grant the request". Thanked him and hung up. I used to be an ebay powerseller, and rarely sell anymore because of stuff like this. They've neutered the sellers. I had the Creative listed on Craigs for awhile with no bites, so put it on ebay. Deep breath....Done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad324 Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 yea ebay/paypal is bullshit with that stuff which is why I refuse to sell anything via ebay anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmutt Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Damn, hopefully you don't get a financial anus pounding from the buyer's shitstorm of lies Some fux shouldn't be allowed to own electronics.I hate selling anything via CL or ebay due to the possible drama and lowballing.....did you list it here at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Gotta love eBay/PayPal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReconRat Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Refuse the delivery. Return to sender. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YSR_Racer_99 Posted April 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Refuse the delivery. Return to sender.Love it! "Nope, I never rec'd it". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JStump Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Love it! "Nope, I never rec'd it".That's what I would do if they screwed you like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 yea ebay/paypal is bullshit with that stuff which is why I refuse to sell anything via ebay anymoreThere it is. I'll buy small items, but I'll never use eBay to sell anything ever again, not with the relatively easy to use and much faster craigslist. I don't have to worry about someone sniping the auction, don't have to be concerned with someone retracting a bid, just "if you want it, here it is, and this is how much I want for it". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crb Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Did you have as is in the description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gixxus Christ! Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 I don't sell on eBay or CL anymore because of the bullshit. If none of my friends or family want it, it goes on the curb or to goodwill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YSR_Racer_99 Posted April 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Did you have as is in the description.I don't believe so, but if I ever sell there again (as much as I'd like to say I won't, in reality I probably will...), the listing sure will have that. I don't know that it would have mattered. Maybe. Dunno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScubaCinci Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 That sucks. This is why I hate selling stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madcat6183 Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 I'd refuse product and tell Paypal you never got it. Oh and I would definitely call Ebay and try to reverse any feedback you left for said dooche. Also I'd probably tell him he was being a dooche too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casper Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 I don't sell on eBay or CL anymore because of the bullshit. If none of my friends or family want it, it goes on the curb or to goodwill. This is the route I've gone. I'll post it up here on OR. Nobody bites, it gets donated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashweights Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 I'd refuse product and tell Paypal you never got it. Oh and I would definitely call Ebay and try to reverse any feedback you left for said dooche. Also I'd probably tell him he was being a dooche too.I like this route too. Two can play stupid at this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadyone Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Its hard to give negative feedback these days. unfortunately you probably already left feedback. this is why i wait a few weeks to leave any feedback at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baptizo Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 This is why I don't sell anything on E-Bay and I am starting to see why it's a waste of time to use CL, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCBS Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Paypal sucks. My account got hacked a while back and caused a shitstorm for me. I rarely list anything on eBay anymore, but if I do, I go the "no returns" route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheech Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 This is why I don't sell anything on E-Bay and I am starting to see why it's a waste of time to use CL, too.CL Spam mail is easy to process and ignore. Yeah, it can be a chore to fence with "bargain hunters" who try and weasel you down 5 bucks on a 30 dollar shop vac, but by and large I stick with meeting people on my schedule that way I'm not going out of my way. Cash only, no refunds, everyone walks away happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smashweights Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 This made me all nervous shipping out my Touchpad I sold on eBay yesterday... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YSR_Racer_99 Posted April 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 Well sumbitch, Paypal just added $50 to my account (and promptly charged me $2.25 or something for doing it. SURPRISE!). Must say I'm shocked. Its been a long time since I SOLD on ebay, but I don't think sellers can leave anything other than positive feedback now. The buyer, on the other hand, can trash a high-volume seller and raise their fees with one strike on the keyboard. Oh, and ebay now charges a fee on the sellers' SHIPPING charges. And they seem to be genuinely dismayed that people don't want to sell with them. As far as using CL, I've found that there are certain things that do better on CL than on ebay, and vice versa. Thanks all for the support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner75 Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Ive heard stories about how sellers are treated now adays. One reason ive been reluctant on becoming a seller. I think ill just stay that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyDuty Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 They will side with the buyer 99% of the time if buyers start complaining about getting ripped off everyone would stop buying they do not worried about the seller they know that even if you get ripped off they can throw a few bucks at you and you will keep selling stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imprez55 Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Wow, you got shafted and I'm sad to hear another Vision M dead. I have used mine since I got it, what seems like forever ago, and it has been a trooper through all the drops, breaks, and thousands of miles on the bike. I have to admit, the accessory thing that you have to plug into is a bit of a pain, but who the fuck puts a charger in the headphone slot?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howabusa Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Ebay and Paypal do really suck, anymore! I have been using them for years. I think that I am done with both of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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