Casper Posted February 26, 2015 Report Share Posted February 26, 2015 http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/26/fcc-net-neutrality/http://techcrunch.com/2015/02/26/fcc-passes-strict-net-neutrality-regulations-on-3-2-vote/ I honestly didn't think this would happen. Amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 And now let the government takeover fearmongering begin! [emoji28] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCBS Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Honestly, I don't know a lot about what happened today. The waters are very muddy out there...is this good or bad? I was under the impression that it keeps me from having to compete monetarily for decent bandwidth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 In my opinion it's probably good. It classifies Internet bandwidth as a utility to prevent Verizon, Comcast, AT&T and others from charging Netflix or whoever they want for equal access to customer-paid bandwidth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCBS Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 In my opinion it's probably good. It classifies Internet bandwidth as a utility to prevent Verizon, Comcast, AT&T and others from charging Netflix or whoever they want for equal access to customer-paid bandwidth.OK. That's the gist of it as I understood. Netflix has to pay for more bandwidth -> I pay more for Netfilx was the situation faced? As a public utility...will there be a "spot price" such as a utility like Nat gas to determine pricing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idodishez Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/26/fcc-net-neutrality/http://techcrunch.com/2015/02/26/fcc-passes-strict-net-neutrality-regulations-on-3-2-vote/I honestly didn't think this would happen. Amazing.Me either "I miss America" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idodishez Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 And now let the government takeover fearmongering begin! [emoji28]Unheard of right? Government would never screw anything up."I miss America" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Unheard of right? Government would never screw anything up."I miss America" Right, neither would free-reigned big businesses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokey Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 In my opinion it's probably good. It classifies Internet bandwidth as a utility to prevent Verizon, Comcast, AT&T and others from charging Netflix or whoever they want for equal access to customer-paid bandwidth. Oh no.....surely no other reasons for doing such a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okeefe01 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I was talking to someone I know at Time Warner (I hate TW), and they told me about another impact of this, tht I hadn't thought about. You know how you pay your phone bill and there is all of those FCC fees and taxes? Well, you never had that on your internet service...until now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DAIVI PAI2K5 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 More .gov over reach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohiomike Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I was talking to someone I know at Time Warner (I hate TW), and they told me about another impact of this, tht I hadn't thought about. You know how you pay your phone bill and there is all of those FCC fees and taxes? Well, you never had that on your internet service...until now.Yes, now watch your overall cost go up......and experts have predicted the overall speed of the bandwidths will go down at the same time. Guess its a waiting game to see what actually happens, but we all know it won't be a reduced price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 The big monopoly isp's are pissed while content providers are happy. I think this is the most telling point of this whole debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Street Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 Have they released the actual rules yet?I mean so we the general public can see whats inside it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 I was talking to someone I know at Time Warner (I hate TW), and they told me about another impact of this, tht I hadn't thought about. You know how you pay your phone bill and there is all of those FCC fees and taxes? Well, you never had that on your internet service...until now. The FCC also dictates what's appropriate to say on the air... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3.504 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 The FCC also dictates what's appropriate to say on the air... thats along the lines of what i was thinking 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3.504 Posted February 27, 2015 Report Share Posted February 27, 2015 The FCC also dictates what's appropriate to say on the air... thats along the lines of what i was thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodninja420 Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 It's about time someone intervened. The Internet has been on a steady decline for the last 20 years. Needs something innovative to turn it around. Like utility status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 It's about time someone intervened. The Internet has been on a steady decline for the last 20 years. Needs something innovative to turn it around. Like utility status.[Chuckle] the irony is that the Internet would not exist in its current form without initial government research and funding, and would not be as accessible today without telephony utility status.Here's a conservative article that makes the most comprehensive case for net neutrality I've seen.http://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/keeping-the-internet-competitiveThere's a lot of detailed background history on the bell breakups I had completely forgotten about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Street Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Sure would be nice to see what is in the rules they just passed...But it looks like we will have to wait a few weeks or months to find out what has happened. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/02/27/theres-already-a-conspiracy-theory-brewing-over-net-neutrality/?hpid=z14 Till then, it's just talk about what it "might" mean to the user. Carry on, business as usual till then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Street I totally agree. And make no mistake the devil will be in the details just like it was with the Bell breakup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Street Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Street I totally agree. And make no mistake the devil will be in the details just like it was with the Bell breakup. An interesting point from one of the commissioners who actually has read the new rules is that taxes are coming.http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/27/net-neutrality-arguments/ I would expect that in the interests of fair government and budgetary constraints we will be asked to fund the enforcement and or regulation panel and it's activities at the very least. Something like the "Universal Service Fee" on land lines. Another "Fairness" tax, to bring broadband to under-privileged consumers. (Which is what the "Universal Service Fee" was supposed to do but never really did.) Some kind of censoring mechanism to protect the children as well. ( What a fire fight that one is going to be. - Paging Lois Lerner...) On the other side of that coin perhaps a reduction of the cable TV giants bundled packages and sooner or later A la carte pay television. Of course with that revenue stream cut the basic access fee will most likely go up as speeds will drop due to cost reduction. (It's all about the share holders. Faster equipment costs more, so....) The "Last Mile" of connectivity is sure to be an issue and there will of course be some competition there. On the cynical side, looking at my electric bill, I see a "Generation" charge and a "Delivery" charge which totaled equal or exceed the charges before the "Last Mile" regulation fight. I would expect the same from these new rules as well. Municipal and local start-up services have already been all but outlawed by lobbying from the industry. So innovation of new services is still in question. On the other hand perhaps this will make the old rules moot. We will have to wait and see. Lets not forget cell phone standards in which data charges do apply as services for smartphones with data caps on most plans with "gotcha" fees for over use of their "unlimited" services. Not quite sure how that is going to work out but a subsidy for the cell phone operators to provide data services to the under served with a new "Service Fee" is the most likely scenario. These comments are based upon standard bureaucracy growth and political trends in play today and of course not based on the rules that nobody has read yet. As you said, the devil is in the details. With 300 some pages of details at this point it sounds like there might be just a few surprises in store. Edited February 28, 2015 by Strictly Street Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyDuty Posted February 28, 2015 Report Share Posted February 28, 2015 Theoretically this would be great thing for the internet and everyone. BUT over the years the one think I have learned is anything that the government puts their fingers on turns in to a giant quagmire of shit real fast. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strictly Street Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Surprise! They have released the rules a lot earlier that anybody thought they would. Here is the link.http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2015/db0312/FCC-15-24A1.pdf A fast read through it does provide a couple of expected points. Some of the definitions such as last mile and interconnect services seem a little vague on purpose. They state that they will refine this as they go along, not un-expected. Seems that they want to give themselves some room to work with as time, technology and economic factors are considered 56k connections are excluded as not really being "Broadband". So is VOIP, instrumentation (medical monitors) and the like. Not surprising again. Cell phones seem to be an item they are being very careful with as their definitions seem to say a couple of things at the same time. The "Universal Service Contributions" are mentioned but it is unclear how they are to be applied as they are claiming a partial forbearance. Leaving the door open for later it would seem. Give it a read, see what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted March 13, 2015 Report Share Posted March 13, 2015 Give it a read, see what you think. Couldn't I just skip it and go straight to the spewing of opinions phase? I don't want to seem out of line with Internet cultural norms, you know. Oh, OK, I'll read it this weekend... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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