cg2112 Posted December 20, 2015 Report Share Posted December 20, 2015 I know that if I purchase two handguns from a dealer, they have to report the sale to the ATF. Anyone know about purchasing two handguns in the same day from two different dealers? I want to buy a handgun for myself, and one for my wife. For mine, I want to use financing, so there's a particular dealer I want to go to. For my wife's gun, I want to go to Point Blank, because they aren't any more expensive, and are having a "buy in December, shoot in January for free" range deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuzenjeff Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 When you go to the first gun store they will do the background check and if it is "proceed" you will leave with the gun. When you go the the second store they will also have to do a back ground check before they can turn over the gun, so there is a possibility that the second store could get a" hold" and tell you that you had bought one in the past 30 days and you will have to wait or have that store will fill out the multiple gun form. It is no big deal to buy two a one time, the feds are just checking that you are not making a habit of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cuzenjeff Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 You could have your wife to fill out the paper work for her gun and you fill it out for yours. That would be the easy way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 honestly, you should do the transaction for your gun and your wife should be doing it for hers. Not judging but that's how it's supposed to work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrome Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 I know that if I purchase two handguns from a dealer, they have to report the sale to the ATF. Anyone know about purchasing two handguns in the same day from two different dealers?I want to buy a handgun for myself, and one for my wife. For mine, I want to use financing, so there's a particular dealer I want to go to. For my wife's gun, I want to go to Point Blank, because they aren't any more expensive, and are having a "buy in December, shoot in January for free" range deal.Financing a gun means that you can't afford it right now. Buy your wife's first, save the money for yours and then buy it. By then there won't be an issue with the background check. I can't see why everyone wants to finance things. Just save the money then buy it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx3vfr Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) Financing a gun means that you can't afford it right now. Buy your wife's first, save the money for yours and then buy it. By then there won't be an issue with the background check. I can't see why everyone wants to finance things. Just save the money then buy it.Because credit is cheap and you can earn more in the market during the 6 months of zero per cent financing. Edited December 21, 2015 by zx3vfr 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Buy your wife's, borrow it and use it to rob a bank to post for yours. Send left over cash to me since it was my idea.Your wife should buy her own, but I can't think of any reason buying at two stores the same day will flag you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Because credit is cheap and you can earn more in the market during the 6 months of zero per cent financing.It ain't that cheap unless you're a bank borrowing against the fed's prime rate. Plus, that's unless the market declines during then, which it has been. Repeatedly. Then lifting, then declining, rinse and repeat. 6 month expectations of gains is short and is like trying to time a volatile market. 6-12 years is a better time scale to expect normalized 8-12% gains and even that's shakey these days. Anyway, I'd also suggest caution against anything that could look like a straw purchase given elevated sensitivity post-San Bernardino. Even a justifiable self defense situation could give an ambulance chaser something to use against you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zx3vfr Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 It ain't that cheap unless you're a bank borrowing against the fed's prime rate. Plus, that's unless the market declines during then, which it has been. Repeatedly. Then lifting, then declining, rinse and repeat. 6 month expectations of gains is short and is like trying to time a volatile market. 6-12 years is a better time scale to expect normalized 8-12% gains and even that's shakey these days.Anyway, I'd also suggest caution against anything that could look like a straw purchase given elevated sensitivity post-San Bernardino. Even a justifiable self defense situation could give an ambulance chaser something to use against you.just reiterating what everyone else says. markets are dumb, I'd have better luck in a casino. I just buy precious metals. Hoards of cartons of smokes, and enough alcohol to burn down an entire city. Barter, it's the only thing that's going to be worth anything after obummer is done with his presidency, or rather elects himself to his 3rd term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonik Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Wife and I use zero financing every chance we get. No reason not to as long as you are going to pay it off. If we didn't do that we wouldn't have much in the way of active credit other than day to day use of credit cards. House and cars are paid off...... Not going to get rich using it but it is worth using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango_sv Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 (edited) honestly, you should do the transaction for your gun and your wife should be doing it for hers. Not judging but that's how it's supposed to work.What if the gun is a gift? He can't gift a gun to his wife?Edit: I already know the answer. I've bought all of my Fiancée's rifles as gifts and 1 of her handguns. Edited December 21, 2015 by mango_sv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Good read on the subject: http://www.nssfblog.com/giving-a-firearm-as-a-gift-some-reminders-from-nssf/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 IMHO, there's no reason to fear or skirt the rule... You're not planning anything nefarious, so just buy wherever you get the best deal. I like Point Blank for the most part. Pricing is a bit steep on range time, but their range is also much nicer and cleaner than most. It's even reasonably well lit. The staff is mildly 'on edge' about things, but I appreciate their diligence. (every time i would reload their rented gun, the range officer would walk up behind me for some reason...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 What if the gun is a gift? He can't gift a gun to his wife?Edit: I already know the answer. I've bought all of my Fiancée's rifles as gifts and 1 of her handguns.Like I said, I'm not judging. Handle the purchases how you want, it's your business not mine. Gifting and personal transactions are perfectly legal the way you're describing. But if I know a gun is definitely going to someone other than me, they should be the one to go through the process not me. One of the big talking points for gun rights is the idea of the "responsible law abiding gun owner" and if we're more or less exploiting one of the same so called "loopholes" that criminals do to get guns on the street then we are not helping the cause in terms of setting a good example. Of course, the critical thing is that we don't go and do something stupid with the guns and don't go selling/transferring the legally purchased gun to someone who shouldn't have it in the first place. in that regard, I think most gifted and privately sold guns are perfectly kosher, but like I said, doesn't set a good example in some cases. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Well said jbot. Personally, and this is just me, if the gun is meant for someone else's self defense, then I don't want to be in the middle of the transaction history. Why? If they need to use it, and any detail raises questions, I don't want to complicate civil or criminal investigations with an indirect transfer. Selfishly I don't want the surprise legal expenses nor do I want to give an investigator room to say that the gun purchase was intentionally layered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cg2112 Posted December 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 My wife's gun is, in fact, a gift. I brought her to the range this weekend, and she shot a Ruger SR22 and really liked it, so I want to get her one for Christmas. As far as financing goes, that's a totally separate issue, but I use zero percent financing all the time. There's really no reason for me not to, I just pay the stuff off quickly, and it's no problem. Though, I'm probably going to end up getting both guns are the same place, it's just more convenient. I had my eye on a Sig Sauer P229, but I'm probably going to go for something a little more affordable. These are first guns for both me and my wife, so I probably don't need to go all out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smccrory Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Great guns, both. And agreed, Sig is proud of those 229s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 I have an SR22. I've taught many people to people to shoot with it. They're accurate, reliable, and fun to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh1234 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 just reiterating what everyone else says. markets are dumb, I'd have better luck in a casino. I just buy precious metals. Hoards of cartons of smokes, and enough alcohol to burn down an entire city. Barter, it's the only thing that's going to be worth anything after obummer is done with his presidency, or rather elects himself to his 3rd term. After about a month, toilet paper will be worth more than all of those things 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpoppa Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 All I need is a deck of cards. I'll win everything I need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango_sv Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 Like I said, I'm not judging. Handle the purchases how you want, it's your business not mine. Gifting and personal transactions are perfectly legal the way you're describing. But if I know a gun is definitely going to someone other than me, they should be the one to go through the process not me. One of the big talking points for gun rights is the idea of the "responsible law abiding gun owner" and if we're more or less exploiting one of the same so called "loopholes" that criminals do to get guns on the street then we are not helping the cause in terms of setting a good example. Of course, the critical thing is that we don't go and do something stupid with the guns and don't go selling/transferring the legally purchased gun to someone who shouldn't have it in the first place. in that regard, I think most gifted and privately sold guns are perfectly kosher, but like I said, doesn't set a good example in some cases.As long as you know who you are giving the gift to, the loophole point is moot. I know my Fiancée isn't gonna sell a gun, and she isn't gonna use it in nefarious way. She even has her Ohio CHP. Be a responsible gun owner and know who you're giving the gift. Don't act like it's some terrible thing to do. One of the best things you can do for your wife/Fiancée/girlfriend is get them into shooting. The SR22 I got her is one of her favorite to shoot and plink with, right after her bow (that I also bought her). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 hand tattoos? clearly she's up to something nefarious. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted December 21, 2015 Report Share Posted December 21, 2015 As long as you know who you are giving the gift to, the loophole point is moot. I know my Fiancée isn't gonna sell a gun, and she isn't gonna use it in nefarious way. She even has her Ohio CHP. Be a responsible gun owner and know who you're giving the gift. Don't act like it's some terrible thing to do. One of the best things you can do for your wife/Fiancée/girlfriend is get them into shooting. The SR22 I got her is one of her favorite to shoot and plink with, right after her bow (that I also bought her)I'm not sure how much more I can emphasize you should do what you want how you want. Where you got the feeling that I said it was some "terrible" thing is beyond me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mango_sv Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 But if I know a gun is definitely going to someone other than me, they should be the one to go through the process not me. One of the big talking points for gun rights is the idea of the "responsible law abiding gun owner" and if we're more or less exploiting one of the same so called "loopholes" that criminals do to get guns on the streetYou state that buying a gift is using the "loophole" and it is not. Plain and simple. Knowing who your giving to is being a response gun owner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkow97 Posted December 22, 2015 Report Share Posted December 22, 2015 You state that buying a gift is using the "loophole" and it is not. Plain and simple. Knowing who your giving to is being a response gun owner. you're both getting into semantics. Giving a gun as a gift circumvents the background check - whether that's done for devious reasons or altruistic reasons is a relevant consideration, but the result is the same: someone is receiving a brand new firearm without having gone through all the steps they would have if they'd bought it themselves. If the buyer (gifter) feels good about that and has no issue taking responsibility for the firearm they've given, then I don't see a problem with it, but it IS skirting the letter of the law, if not the intent of the law. But to be fair, I've only gone through the background check for 1 of the firearms i own... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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