Connie14 Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 We don't have to choose between just these two assholes . VOTE GARY JOHNSON 2016! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 1 hour ago, jschaf said: Case in point. Gangs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 This mentality is what this thread was was originally about. Who believes the twisted statement and supports this idea. The word "take" sticks out. Should be re-worded. Wal-mart takes legal tax deductions. They're too profitable and successful. Lets find a way to take their money and give it to people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drc32-0 Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 The Walton family...a great example of the hard working successful billionaire class.Their greatest achievement in life was being a successful man's sperm.Kind of like the last three republican presidential nominees.At least Obama worked and became successful by his own achievements,it wasn't handed to him at birth. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 WM has the best business model 1) Get gov't (and us) to subsidize labor force 2) Accept EBT / WIC from labor force 3) Get reimbursed by gov't (us again!) for goods sold Perfect. Gov't pays for part of your labor, and whatever your labor makes is spent right back on goods you sell. Get the gov't to pay you twice. Taking advantage of every "legal" tax deduction is just gravy. Who's really taking gov't welfare there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drc32-0 Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 27 minutes ago, Disclaimer said: WM has the best business model 1) Get gov't (and us) to subsidize labor force 2) Accept EBT / WIC from labor force 3) Get reimbursed by gov't (us again!) for goods sold Perfect. Gov't pays for part of your labor, and whatever your labor makes is spent right back on goods you sell. Get the gov't to pay you twice. Taking advantage of every "legal" tax deduction is just gravy. Who's really taking gov't welfare there? Of course that's all true,but it's the poor folks free iPhone that is bankrupting the country.Lazy bastards!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drc32-0 Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Oh, and you forgot the welfare in the form of tax abatements for creating those great jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 28 minutes ago, Disclaimer said: WM has the best business model 1) Get gov't (and us) to subsidize labor force 2) Accept EBT / WIC from labor force 3) Get reimbursed by gov't (us again!) for goods sold Perfect. Gov't pays for part of your labor, and whatever your labor makes is spent right back on goods you sell. Get the gov't to pay you twice. Taking advantage of every "legal" tax deduction is just gravy. Who's really taking gov't welfare there? 1. Really how? Friggin myth. Because they pay minimum wage and those employees are on assistance? Can't have it both ways honey. 2. What business doesnt? Been to a local grocery store lately? 3. Site your source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 37 minutes ago, drc32-0 said: The Walton family...a great example of the hard working successful billionaire class.Their greatest achievement in life was being a successful man's sperm.Kind of like the last three republican presidential nominees.At least Obama worked and became successful by his own achievements,it wasn't handed to him at birth. Do you think being handed a business continues to run successfully on its own? No different from when you're gifted something. Perhaps you should return your Christmas gifts, that is, if you kept it nice. You'd look a gift horse in the mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drc32-0 Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 No a business doesn't run itself,that's what you hire people for.So you can go fall of some mountain.At least we don't have to support that Walton with our taxes any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 9 minutes ago, Gump said: 1. Really how? Friggin myth. Because they pay minimum wage and those employees are on assistance? Can't have it both ways honey. 2. What business doesnt? Been to a local grocery store lately? 3. Site your source http://www.americansfortaxfairness.org/files/Walmart-tax-report-Final-Final.pdf And it's cite, not site. As in, the web addess for the site above starts with www, and I'm using it to cite a source of information. But yea, "friggin' myth" Same argument for McDonalds or any other large corp that using gov't subsidized labor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drc32-0 Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Gump said: Do you think being handed a business continues to run successfully on its own? No different from when you're gifted something. Perhaps you should return your Christmas gifts, that is, if you kept it nice. You'd look a gift horse in the mouth. A local story about one of these wealthy sperm recipients that think they can run a company...research the Longaberger company.You won't believe me so research it yourself.But here's the short story...daddy starts and builds a Fortune 500 company, daddy dies from cancer,college educated daughter Tami takes over,ten years latter company is bankrupted and sold.Daughter walks away with tens of millions of dollars,taxpayer left holding the bag for delinquent taxes on top of all the corporate welfare in the past.But damn it. It 's that black single mother that is jobbing the system...getto rat!!! Edited August 20, 2016 by drc32-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 14 minutes ago, Disclaimer said: http://www.americansfortaxfairness.org/files/Walmart-tax-report-Final-Final.pdf And it's cite, not site. As in, the web addess for the site above starts with www, and I'm using it to cite a source of information. But yea, "friggin' myth" Same argument for McDonalds or any other large corp that using gov't subsidized labor. I like mispeling words. It allows you to feel better about yourself. The article jumps right into the term "loopholes". Replace that buzzword with legal tax deductions and tax avoidance. I don't see where number three is validated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Just now, Gump said: I like mispeling words. It allows you to feel better about yourself. The article jumps right into the term "loopholes". Replace that buzzword with legal tax deductions and tax avoidance. I don't see where number three is validated. If you accept EBT / WIC, who do you think pays for that? It's self-validating if #2 is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 4 minutes ago, Disclaimer said: If you accept EBT / WIC, who do you think pays for that? It's self-validating if #2 is true. O. I didn't realize you were looking at from such a simple level. So what are we talking about then? Is your opinion that corporations shouldn't accept, indirectly, tax payer money in the form of food stamps if they make over so much profit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 I would propose that whatever the gov't is subsidizing in terms of people on the payroll that work "full-time" -- lets call "full time" 32 hours/week or more -- the corporation should reimburse the gov't for first and foremost, and THEN figure out whatever other tax abatements are due. It levels the playing field for all the companies that DO pay enough to full time employees not needing gov't assistance. My tax dollars shouldn't be used to pay for a private sector labor force so corporations can profit, which in WM's case, is around $6.2B per the link I cited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motocat12 Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Why is it the govt's fault the people are working in unskilled labor? This is a job not a career and starting a family they can't support by choice makes them more needy. I worked those jobs, had no dependents and shared apartments with roommates and got no welfare. How many times I've wondered how some of them ever got non union jobs, diversity quotas I guess(checking their phone mid checkout!). Does walmart pay the government for self checkouts that are cheaper than cheap labor too? In high school, living at home, earning minimum wage I worked 2 days a week at a grocery and one days pay every week went to union dues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 5 minutes ago, Disclaimer said: I would propose that whatever the gov't is subsidizing in terms of people on the payroll that work "full-time" -- lets call "full time" 32 hours/week or more -- the corporation should reimburse the gov't for first and foremost, and THEN figure out whatever other tax abatements are due. It levels the playing field for all the companies that DO pay enough to full time employees not needing gov't assistance. My tax dollars shouldn't be used to pay for a private sector labor force so corporations can profit, which in WM's case, is around $6.2B per the link I cited Saying level playing field is a stretch. How is that creating a level playing field? You're basically saying raise minimum wage and pay workers more. Unless you tie it to, reimburse the gov't for those workers on assistance if your profits are above xyz. I can see more off shore companies already. I think I finally understand the mentality of those who post meme's like the above. We pick a widely known corporation, so there's a connection, tell everyone how much profit they're making to appeal and fuel the entitled attitude, rich haters. Then exploit the buzzword loophole to make everyone think the corporation is cheating because they have money to do so. So simple it's stupid. I'm here thinking what in the world are they talking about? Is it Some super secret only the ultra rich know about and small corps can't do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 Companies will continue to move offshore and do their inversions to whatever country is offering the best deal, but realize it's a race to the bottom where the only winners are the corporations. And no, I'm not saying "raise the minimum wage" -- I'm saying my tax dollars should not be subsidizing corporate profits. That's socialism. If that means Walmart or McDonalds needs to pay their full time workforce more to get off the gov't dole, then so be it. Currently, it's a redistribution of wealth, except to the already rich -- which apparently people seem to be way more OK with than someone much closer to their own income bracket. Because psychology. http://www.albany.edu/~gs149266/Solnick %26 Hemenway (1998) - Positional concerns.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted August 20, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 5 hours ago, drc32-0 said: A local story about one of these wealthy sperm recipients that think they can run a company...research the Longaberger company.You won't believe me so research it yourself.But here's the short story...daddy starts and builds a Fortune 500 company, daddy dies from cancer,college educated daughter Tami takes over,ten years latter company is bankrupted and sold.Daughter walks away with tens of millions of dollars,taxpayer left holding the bag for delinquent taxes on top of all the corporate welfare in the past.But damn it. It 's that black single mother that is jobbing the system...getto rat!!! What's your point? You just angry? Btw, CVSL owes that money and the counties not exactly going after it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jschaf Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 20 hours ago, Connie14 said: We don't have to choose between just these two assholes . VOTE GARY JOHNSON 2016! With so much at stake my conscience won't let me make a symbolic vote. If Trump won & Johnson came in at 20% (fantastic by current forecasts) the economy would be battered, the constitution would go out the window, & the common people would be screwed. Good luck to the libertarians in the future & shame on the republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drc32-0 Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 30 minutes ago, Gump said: What's your point? You just angry? Btw, CVSL owes that money and the counties not exactly going after it. My point is the wealthy get far more than their far share of welfare,but a lot of people are only concerned with poor people receiving government money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted August 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 30 minutes ago, drc32-0 said: My point is the wealthy get far more than their far share of welfare,but a lot of people are only concerned with poor people receiving government money. How did she recieve welfare or assistance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drc32-0 Posted August 21, 2016 Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 The first thing that comes to my mind is the road she wanted built from Dresden to Zanesville that parallels SR60.It was never needed and now that Longabergers factory is barely limping along it's just another road that taxpayers maintain.Multiple other tax abatements for buildings in Muskingum and Licking counties that were used for short periods of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gump Posted August 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2016 They made the deals together. Someone kinda got burnt. We should just remove indemnification from corporations then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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