copperhead Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132056,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tony_K Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Big Brother is watching you. tongue.gif There will be more of those removed from cars than AIR pumps from 1976 Camaros... Whether cars have them or not, there is no law requiring they remain in the car. So if you must buy a GM car, take it out. I think we can count on both liberals and conservatives to effectively control their use in order to preserve privacy rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pg Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Uhh... Does this mean that they would be able to tell if you were racing/driving like a maniac? Are they easy to take out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted November 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Originally posted by pgsrt-4: Uhh... Does this mean that they would be able to tell if you were racing/driving like a maniac? Are they easy to take out?Yes, and we can only hope so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desperado Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 From what I have read about them, they are no different than a blackbox in an airplane. It measures for a given time and then resets and runs again until it sences an accident. It will have recorded the speed, direction and shock sensor levels from an accident. Thing is, if you are driving like a asshat, and you get into a wreck, you get what you have coming legally. This thing just proves that you were being an asshat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Spyder550 Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 From what I understand, at least in the C5 and C6 Corvettes, these modules are connected to airbag deployment, meaning that if they were removed, the airbags would be rendered inoperative. Some have concerns regarding that, and I believe that some corvetteforum.com members are looking for software hacks at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy1647545504 Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Summed up in the last two paragraphs: Privacy experts warn that once cars are outfitted for the most limited data recording, the government will find a way to argue it’s for drivers’ "own good" to collect more. They point to a push in recent years to install GPS in all cars so that emergency officials can easily find incapacitated accident victims. "When you are telling someone it is for their own good, then it should be their own choice, they should be able to say ‘no,’" said professor Yale Kamisar of the University of Michigan Law School. "None of these things work out the way they are supposed to. Why should we believe all of these assurances when they haven’t been honored in the past?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 I don't like this, but at least no matter what security measures GM puts in to them it can still be removed. Its just an electronic device. If you can't disable it then simulate it. Evan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1647545489 Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Elises already have it. Dealerships can go in and look at your driving characteristics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex1647545498 Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 No thank you. I'd be takeing that out too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 why tke it out? Its free telemtry data I'd hack into it and enjoy the results. Unless its got a gps, they can only tell that you were driving fast, but not where. Good luck prosecuting on that. graemlins/thumb.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tony_K Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Unless it records date and time . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bgbdbn Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 "According to Joe Osterman, director of highway safety at the NTSB, the recommendation was inspired in part by a tragic auto accident involving a 86-year-old man who drove his car into a crowded Santa Monica farmers’ market last summer, killing 10 and injuring 63. Osterman said a black box in the car might have not saved the people in the crash, but would have allowed investigators to find out how it happened and how cars could be better designed to reduce the likelihood of greater injury in the future." ------------------------------------------------- How is this little black box going to better design a car to not hurt people when you run over them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wease Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Originally posted by Bgbdbn: Osterman said a black box in the car might have not saved the people in the crash, but would have allowed investigators to find out how it happened and how cars could be better designed to reduce the likelihood of greater injury in the future."What a load of crap. The only thing that would have helped those people is the guy not being behind the wheel of a car in the first place. Instead of this black box shit, what they need to do is start retesting senior citizens for their driver's license every couple of years and keeping people that do not belong behind the wheel off the road... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stealthy01ta Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 When my friend ran his 2k1 z28 through a guardrail the insurance tried to not pay up...somehow they got information from the cars computer that he had driven the car at 166mph at one point, couldn't say when though. And in my TA manual it says the computer learns your driving habits (fast slow) and adjusts for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex1647545498 Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 I wonder how they would justify that if you bought the car used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1647545489 Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Originally posted by TheBadness: When my friend ran his 2k1 z28 through a guardrail the insurance tried to not pay up...somehow they got information from the cars computer that he had driven the car at 166mph at one point, couldn't say when though. And in my TA manual it says the computer learns your driving habits (fast slow) and adjusts for it. yep GM PCMs I think since 99 or so have been recording data too but its no where near the data that the new ones will store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jpurdy2003 Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 I'm sure the enthusiast community and/or the aftermarket will find a way to get rid of the threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Originally posted by Tony: Unless it records date and time . . .Still needs a loction. Without proving the location, there is no crime. Kinda like writ of hebeus corpus. I can say I like to put my car on jackstands occasionaly, put is in D and run it up to various speeds. You can say it was on a dyno, or some other form of private property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el aguila Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 I'm almost positive these are critical to airbag deployment. They can records throttle position, brake switch on/off, vehicle speed, ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
400 HO Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Ahhhh.. the joys of owning an OLD car!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1647545489 Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Originally posted by Regenmeister: Still needs a loction. Without proving the location, there is no crime. Kinda like writ of hebeus corpus. I can say I like to put my car on jackstands occasionaly, put is in D and run it up to various speeds. You can say it was on a dyno, or some other form of private property.I can't say for using it for accident investigations but I do know that they will be using it to void your warrenty. They will look at length of WOT and how many time your go WOT. They will also look at maximum MPH and RPM and try to prove you were "abusing" the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokin5s Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 ok, someone tell me where it is in my GP and how to disable it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1647545489 Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Originally posted by Vaccum Leaking V6: ok, someone tell me where it is in my GP and how to disable it. INside the ecu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 No matter how this device works it will have to have an EEPROM in it. There are many many ways to disable it. You could even screw with the data that it is recieving if you wanted. If all else fails you could install a push button or something to allow you to erase the EEPROM or in a worst case scenario like right after an accident you could tap a 12volt source or coil lead to cause a failure of the chip altogether. You see these are just ways I've come up with in about 3 minutes. If anyones serious about it let me know and I'll come up with alot of things and it can be built. I have hacked HP laserjets, and Ricoh copy machines to do this type of stuff for work. Evan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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