Japan Unveils H2O Car

[Casper]

Japan Unveils H2O Car

Sad thing is, we've had this technology for 30 yrs.......

http://www.spikedhumor.com/articles/156388/H2O-Car-Unveiled.html

[wolfman]

I wonder if urine works too..

[John]

there was a guy from grove city that designed a water powered car in the 80s. then mysteriously died and IIRC the car mysteriously "disappeared" right after.

[redbarron77]

I wonder if urine works too..

That was my first thought! Drink up , then fill up the tank....

"I swear officer! I'm just providing fuel to get home!"

[demitrix]

there was a guy from grove city that designed a water powered car in the 80s. then mysteriously died and IIRC the car mysteriously "disappeared" right after.

QFT...His didnt require a big white box in the back seat either, and you could convert gas engines for like $40 to run on water. Wonder how much Enron paid to get rid of him...

[MadRussian]

Lol thats a prank Or they are trying to scam some naive venture capitalists. This would be akin to having your gas furnace run on CO or CO2. Look at the Japanese guy he can barely contain a smile. And they dont explain how water powers this car all by its self. Water is oxidized hydrogen, in other words burnt and inert hydrogen. To get hydrogen out of water, or split it off of oxygen, it has to be electrolyzed in a similar way that aluminum rust (boxite) is converted to pure aluminum, using high voltage. So yes a car will run on "water" but it needs a source of electricity to separate hydrogen from oxygen.

You have to put energy in to get energy out. Or find a reactive substance that has not yet reacted (petroleum) to do the work for you.

[Benyen Soljax]

Lol thats a prank Or they are trying to scam some naive venture capitalists. This would be akin to having your gas furnace run on CO or CO2. Look at the Japanese guy he can barely contain a smile. And they dont explain how water powers this car all by its self. Water is oxidized hydrogen, in other words burnt and inert hydrogen. To get hydrogen out of water, or split it off of oxygen, it has to be electrolyzed in a similar way that aluminum rust (boxite) is converted to pure aluminum, using high voltage. So yes a car will run on "water" but it needs a source of electricity to separate hydrogen from oxygen.

You have to put energy in to get energy out. Or find a reactive substance that has not yet reacted (petroleum) to do the work for you.

maybe they found a way to electrolize water using less energy but i think that would be bigger news. i mean if you could minimize the "getting the hydrogen out" part you could skim power off the engine to keep the cycle going. but as of yet it takes more energy to get hydrogen out than burning hydrogen produces...

[420gsxr1000]

..its just a fuel cell car that has an onboard h2 "converter"....right????

where do they get all that h2 from at the h2 filling stations??

[Benyen Soljax]

..its just a fuel cell car that has an onboard h2 "converter"....right????

where do they get all that h2 from at the h2 filling stations??

well that would make sense, but again, it takes more energy to make Hydrogen than it puts out, so the car shouldnt go very far. this is the cornfusing part.

[wolfman]

The only thing that I can think of is that the car has batteries that start with an initial charge used to separate the Hydrogen from the water...then whatever energy isn't used to propel the car is used to recharge the batteries (also regenerative braking too). Still this would require very efficient fuel cells and I think it would need to be plugged-in nightly at the minimum.

[RC51 John]

This is interesting.

Wikipedia Genepax

Genepax Website

You have to wonder about a site that has a lot of 'Coming Soon' sections.

[wolfman]

This is interesting.

Wikipedia Genepax

Genepax Website

You have to wonder about a site that has a lot of 'Coming Soon' sections.

Good finds! Does look/sound very suspect..

[DangBruhY]

The oil makers will probably snuff this company out.

[wolfman]

The oil makers will probably snuff this company out.

Probably. I'm going to "invent" my own H20 car and convince the oil companies that its real. Then let them buy me out for a few million dollars...haha

[RC51 John]

I know what the company says, but you also probably need to use purified water to account all the contaminants.

[DangBruhY]

Probably. I'm going to "invent" my own H20 car and convince the oil companies that its real. Then let them buy me out for a few million dollars...haha

I didn't say buy out... I said snuff. As in kill or "get rid of".

[MadRussian]

maybe they found a way to electrolize water using less energy but i think that would be bigger news. i mean if you could minimize the "getting the hydrogen out" part you could skim power off the engine to keep the cycle going. but as of yet it takes more energy to get hydrogen out than burning hydrogen produces...

Here is simple way to look at it, why can't I hook a battery to a motor that is then hooked to a generator that is hooked to a battery? And run that setup forever?

Because every time energy is converted from one form to another (chemical to mechanical to chemical) some is lost as heat or noise due to friction. Because of this efficiency can never reach 100 percent. In fact 60 or so percent is fairly common in industrial machines. Depending on the energy source.

If I was to take a gallon of water and zap it to get hydrogen, then burn that hydrogen in a motor that is driving a generator, I would not get anywhere near the electricity back that I initially put it. Thats why you cant skim the power to keep the cycle going, because even if all the electricity was put back into the production of hydrogen it would not be enough to sustain the reaction. Simply put you can not get something out of nothing, everything has to balance out.

Also its interesting what the video (which is fairly old if you noticed) does not say anything about the byproducts of the reaction or the exhaust.

[MadRussian]

The oil makers will probably snuff this company out.

BP is one of the largest producers of solar cells in the world. They are in business to make money for their investors not to run an Italian mob. Oil companies are investing more that anyone into the alternative fuels so that when the oil does become too expensive to drill for (in my opinion it will never "run" out) they will have something else to make money on.

Personally I am indifferent to the oil refiners and it would be great when someone comes out with some other form of fuel but for now these technologies are expensive. I don't foresee them become too cheap soon but I do foresee gas prices skyrocketing and that will bring in more alternative fuel cars. Not that they will ever be as cheap to run because frankly what can be cheaper than fermented or petrified algae (oil) that can be just pumped out of the ground.

Here are some that are already on the road and do not claim to break the law of physics.

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0504/22/autos-159034.htm

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/reviews/healey/2007-05-18-test-drive-fcx_N.htm

[kawi kid]

has anyone watched the oil market this week freaking nuts. i dont think anyone has any idea what this announcement will do yet

[DangBruhY]

If you don't think that the oil companies run everything, look at the price they set. It's way too much, but they get whatever they want. If vehicles would make the demand go down, I think they would have a problem with that. I was somewhat kidding by that, but I do think that they would try something to use their "connections" to make it hard on these companies. That's why they haven't gotten really big. This stuff has been going on for years. I hope no one in here thinks that this type of stuff JUST came out?

[MadRussian]

If you don't think that the oil companies run everything, look at the price they set. It's way too much, but they get whatever they want. If vehicles would make the demand go down, I think they would have a problem with that. I was somewhat kidding by that, but I do think that they would try something to use their "connections" to make it hard on these companies. That's why they haven't gotten really big. This stuff has been going on for years. I hope no one in here thinks that this type of stuff JUST came out?

What do you mean by way too much? And they dont set them, commodity trades set the prices. There are thousands of sellers and buyer on the market. Every seller tries to get the best price while still being able to sell and every buyer tries to get the lowest price while still being able to buy. The price is what we call in economics market equilibrium. It is so high because there are 2 billion people in China and another billion or so in India that are using more and more oil. That pushes demand and that in turn means that oil producers are able to sell the oil at a higher price because there is no spare capacity left. Its capitalism in its purest form

If you had a Honda Repsol replica would you sell it for the same price as just another 1000rr? Especially if there were 10 people at your doorstep bidding for it. You would sell to the guy who was willing to pay the most for it. Why should it be different with oil producers?

Well whatever your feelings are on the politics of oil, and I am sure there is plenty of corruption there, accepting the h2o car sounds like this.

"Oil companies are corrupt, therefore a car that runs on water, and violates the laws of thermal dynamics, is real."

Its a Non sequitur

[kawi kid]

im gonna be hunted down for this post but here goes......

actually if you think about it fuel should prob cost us all more. if you think about what all the fuel in your tank had to go through before it reached you it would make sense.

when the fuel is pumped out of the ground weather it be out of the ground inland or on a rig out in the ocean it has the cost to travel to a refinery. not only the cost of the refinery's operations you have to deliver it from the refinerys to termnials, and terminals to your local gas stations. now everytime it changes places it is handled by paid employees and put on trucks boats or pipe lines, all of which costs money.

im not making excuses or anything but now put this logic to say a galon of milk.

you have the cows, eat grass, grains, whatever. the farmer milks it and puts it in a big cooler tank and is stored til the milk truck picks it up. milk truck takes it to dairy dairy converts it to whatever it in inteded for. and its pretty much distrubted locally. again all the transports costs money but think about the less amount of miles and handling it takes.

maybe this makes sense maybe not. sorry just my demented mind

[Benyen Soljax]

a gallon of milk costs less than a gallon of gas. cost of production goes down with increase in production quantity generally speaking. whats your point?

[MadRussian]

im gonna be hunted down for this post but here goes......

actually if you think about it fuel should prob cost us all more. if you think about what all the fuel in your tank had to go through before it reached you it would make sense.

when the fuel is pumped out of the ground weather it be out of the ground inland or on a rig out in the ocean it has the cost to travel to a refinery. not only the cost of the refinery's operations you have to deliver it from the refinerys to termnials, and terminals to your local gas stations. now everytime it changes places it is handled by paid employees and put on trucks boats or pipe lines, all of which costs money.

im not making excuses or anything but now put this logic to say a galon of milk.

you have the cows, eat grass, grains, whatever. the farmer milks it and puts it in a big cooler tank and is stored til the milk truck picks it up. milk truck takes it to dairy dairy converts it to whatever it in inteded for. and its pretty much distrubted locally. again all the transports costs money but think about the less amount of miles and handling it takes.

maybe this makes sense maybe not. sorry just my demented mind

I would take it a step above and look at bottled water They fill it from municipal water source so its really cheap. Take it to the store and sell it for

$10 per gallon, but you pay per bottle so it seems cheap. Now tell me is thats fair

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0205-01.htm

[DangBruhY]

a gallon of milk costs less than a gallon of gas. cost of production goes down with increase in production quantity generally speaking. whats your point?

Last I checked, I could get a gallon of milk for under $4.20 a gallon. Also, milk is something we eat, not something we burn. Everyone compares milk to fuel... Why? Why don't we compare fuel to a gallon of water? That would make more sense, since they both come from the earth.

In Feb 2007, the price of gas was $2.16 a gallon. June 2008, the price of gas is $4.10 a gallon. It has doubled. If you go back, it has never jumped this high so fast. The market is run off of supply and demand. When you have a commodity that everyone wants, who do you think gets to set the price? If the fuel companies sold gas for $10/gallon, do you think no one would buy it? SHIT NO! Not as much, but people would still buy it, because they HAVE to get to work in their gasoline powered vehicles. All that would do is force alternative fuels to be annualized even more.

Anyway...