Dr. Apex Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Mike is right about the 4g, it has been proven 1000 times over. I've heard many good things about the Ford 2.3 over the years though their popularity at least from my perspective isn't what the 4g is. I've heard the 2.3 has a strong following in europe because it was in many cars over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s13 Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 I like the ford better it bolts right into one of the better hooking chassis I have one for sale if you want to try it out So your willing to bet your ford hooks better then an AWD talon? You can't compare which motor has made more power simply because any motor could make 1XXX with enough time and money. I think this comparasion should be based more on stock power and stock motor limitations. They both seem to top out at around 450-500 on stock bottom ends. Both motors can be had for decently cheap and parts seem to be just about everywhere for both motors. Whats the stock hp output of a 2.3 ford? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboRust Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 it came in a few different variations but most manual cars were 195-210 hp stock. add adj fpr, 3" exh and boost with a $5 valve and have 280 whp pretty easy on small t3's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Pat Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 It changed from car to car. In the Xr4ti, I think it made 180 hp. In the Turbocoupe with the addition of the intercooler, it made 190. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 I will say one thing about the ford 2.3.... you wont have to fix it every week like the DSM It is pointless to argue about what an engine could be made to do for the track. Most people are going to drive it on the street, and are not going to put 30k into the engine to get 900 hp. With enough money you could make any engine fast, even a Yugo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z06G Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 i made over 500awhp on my stock buttom end 4g63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superchevy72 Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Last summer, we saw an old vw bug with a 2.3T ford in it and it ran 10's. my buddy has had a few of the turbo coupes, on the stock IHI turbo you can boost them to 18psi no problem, and if you switch it out for the older style T3 20+ psi is available. This was done on his last one with a $48 manual boost valve that took us about 30 minutes to put in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Apex Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 I will say one thing about the ford 2.3.... you wont have to fix it every week like the DSM It is pointless to argue about what an engine could be made to do for the track. Most people are going to drive it on the street, and are not going to put 30k into the engine to get 900 hp. With enough money you could make any engine fast, even a Yugo. I've had 3 dsm's, I never have to hardly fix mine. Apparantly I'm one of the only ones who knows how to take care of these cars. DSM's are as reliable as their owners, just like any cars, don't blame the motor for the abuse and poor maintenance they typically receive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike C Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 The reliability problems associated with DSMs certainly do not apply to the longblock. They have their issues like all cars but the engine is not the shortcoming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 I've had 3 dsm's, I never have to hardly fix mine. Apparantly I'm one of the only ones who knows how to take care of these cars. DSM's are as reliable as their owners, just like any cars, don't blame the motor for the abuse and poor maintenance they typically receive. Hey! Just like my RX-7! Regular maintenance parts, that's all I've ever needed. Either motor is an interesting idea for this particular car he's been thinking of, I wouldn't go with either, but if I had to, I would go 4G63. It seems to me that there is a lot of aftermarket support. Basically wherever you look someone has something. But both can be had for dirt cheap since they came in everything from Hyundai's to T-Birds to trucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rally Pat Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 Yes but Simmons, a 4G for my build isnt practical at all. I dont have JP like skills. Making the 4G work in a longitudinal setup would be damn near impossible for me to pull off without some serious help I am not willing to pay for. Transverse engines are just too damn hard to convert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 There always is the SR20, came in both configurations but that would just be more blasphemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boost-n-Juice Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 A few of my friends have been in the SVO scene for years. Jim McCool's '84 Vert made 500+@ the wheels with a stock bottom end. Everything was custom fabbed with the exception of the PMS engine managment. Ran 10's all day in a Full interior vert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1647545494 Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 So your willing to bet your ford hooks better then an AWD talon? read again I said one of the better hooking chassis out there a set of control arms and subframe connectors will easily net low 1.x short times the mustang is also far far far cheaper to mod than a dsm imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearer Posted September 3, 2007 Report Share Posted September 3, 2007 IMO the 4g63 is hands down a better motor. The only way a 2.3 based engine is going to come close to comparing is by investing into some serious port work, audi head, or an Esslinger head. Even after that I think the bottom end will become a limiting factor at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heelside1647545510 Posted September 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2007 the 4g63 is still my motor but ive been looking at the ford 2.3 and its actually not as bad as a motor as i thought. imo both are good motors to use in a build Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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