brass knuckles

[cptn janks]

my friend and i were talking about this the other day. whats the legality of carrying these? ive heard they were illegal to carry,however a search of ORC only brings up this:

 

2923.20 (A) No person shall:

 

(3) Manufacture, possess for sale, sell, or furnish to any person other than a law enforcement agency for authorized use in police work, any brass knuckles, cestus, billy, blackjack, sandbag, switchblade knife, springblade knife, gravity knife, or similar weapon;

 

 

 

 

 

so whats the deal?

[cptn janks]

so are you saying that it depends on the judge and jury as to whether or not its a concealed weapon?

[KillJoy]

springblade knife

 

That right there would be any and all of Kershaw's new SpeedLok knives.

 

KillJoy

[BloodRed]

Pretty much what that law is saying there is you can own them but if it ever comes into question, you will have to do a lot of explaining on how you got them.

[dragknee66]

not allowed.. Ive only confiscated 1 pair in my time though.

[cptn janks]

is there a code that specifies they are not allowed, or is it just at the officer's discretion? do you mean you've only seen one, or you've only confiscated one?

 

Pretty much what that law is saying there is you can own them but if it ever comes into question, you will have to do a lot of explaining on how you got them.

 

the way i read it, it says the person who gave or sold them to me would have to do some explaining? it doesnt explicitly say they are forbidden to possess, only to possess for sale... also it doesnt say its illegal to buy them, only to sell them. lol

[copperhead]

I've always been under the impression that they are illegal to own, but the law you posted makes it appear that it's only illegal to transfer them. I guess if you were to buy them out of state it would be ok.

 

Don't forget though, if you are caught in possession, its easy for the fuzz to slap an intention to sell charge on you.

[verse]

Either way it'd be a bad idea to have a set. Any officer could consider those a concealed weapon and you'd be off to jail.

[medium fast]

There is a place at Polaris Mall you can go and buy legal brass knuckles. They are considered a belt buckle because it has a little screw in thing for the belt loop. if you leave that on you cant get in trouble for them.

[Ramsey]

Brass knuckles are an m1. And yes they do charge you with a ccw, and if you are luckily enough they say the words "with intent to harm" with now makes it a violent crime. You will get 10 days, even with a good lawyer. The other 170 days will be put on the shelf for while you are on probation. It will thing getting a appartment almost impossible and or job. not worth it.

 

edit: honestly it would be easier to carry a bat. just keep a ball and glove too.

[cptn janks]

I've always been under the impression that they are illegal to own, but the law you posted makes it appear that it's only illegal to transfer them. I guess if you were to buy them out of state it would be ok.

 

Don't forget though, if you are caught in possession, its easy for the fuzz to slap an intention to sell charge on you.

 

yeah thats what i was thinking too. the law i posted, i went to the ohio revised code and searched for "knuckles"

 

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc

 

there was only one result and it was for unlawful transaction in weapons. so i guess it isnt mentioned anywhere else.

 

i said the same thing about intent to sell to my friend, and his response to that was "they can charge you with whatever, but if it will hold up in court, thats another story." which i kinda agree with. just because you have it, they could say you were going to sell it, but really they have no proof of that at all.

 

as for being charged with ccw, i was thinking that this was what they probably used to get you, as its illegal to conceal a "deadly weapon".

 

“Deadly weapon” means any instrument, device, or thing capable of inflicting death, and designed or specially adapted for use as a weapon, or possessed, carried, or used as a weapon.

 

so if its possessed as a belt buckle, then its not a "deadly weapon" i guess. if its a paperweight, its not a deadly weapon unless you bludgeon someone to death with it, or carry it to bludgeon someone with.

[cptn janks]

here is a list of weapon control definitions. its a fun read

 

 

 

As used in sections 2923.11 to 2923.24 of the Revised Code:

 

(A) “Deadly weapon” means any instrument, device, or thing capable of inflicting death, and designed or specially adapted for use as a weapon, or possessed, carried, or used as a weapon.

 

(B)(1) “Firearm” means any deadly weapon capable of expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of an explosive or combustible propellant. “Firearm” includes an unloaded firearm, and any firearm that is inoperable but that can readily be rendered operable.

 

(2) When determining whether a firearm is capable of expelling or propelling one or more projectiles by the action of an explosive or combustible propellant, the trier of fact may rely upon circumstantial evidence, including, but not limited to, the representations and actions of the individual exercising control over the firearm.

 

© “Handgun” means any of the following:

 

(1) Any firearm that has a short stock and is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand;

 

(2) Any combination of parts from which a firearm of a type described in division ©(1) of this section can be assembled.

 

(D) “Semi-automatic firearm” means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a single cartridge and automatically chamber a succeeding cartridge ready to fire, with a single function of the trigger.

 

(E) “Automatic firearm” means any firearm designed or specially adapted to fire a succession of cartridges with a single function of the trigger. “Automatic firearm” also means any semi-automatic firearm designed or specially adapted to fire more than thirty-one cartridges without reloading, other than a firearm chambering only .22 caliber short, long, or long-rifle cartridges.

 

(F) “Sawed-off firearm” means a shotgun with a barrel less than eighteen inches long, or a rifle with a barrel less than sixteen inches long, or a shotgun or rifle less than twenty-six inches long overall.

 

(G) “Zip-gun” means any of the following:

 

(1) Any firearm of crude and extemporized manufacture;

 

(2) Any device, including without limitation a starter’s pistol, that is not designed as a firearm, but that is specially adapted for use as a firearm;

 

(3) Any industrial tool, signalling device, or safety device, that is not designed as a firearm, but that as designed is capable of use as such, when possessed, carried, or used as a firearm.

 

(H) “Explosive device” means any device designed or specially adapted to cause physical harm to persons or property by means of an explosion, and consisting of an explosive substance or agency and a means to detonate it. “Explosive device” includes without limitation any bomb, any explosive demolition device, any blasting cap or detonator containing an explosive charge, and any pressure vessel that has been knowingly tampered with or arranged so as to explode.

 

(I) “Incendiary device” means any firebomb, and any device designed or specially adapted to cause physical harm to persons or property by means of fire, and consisting of an incendiary substance or agency and a means to ignite it.

 

(J) “Ballistic knife” means a knife with a detachable blade that is propelled by a spring-operated mechanism.

 

(K) “Dangerous ordnance” means any of the following, except as provided in division (L) of this section:

 

(1) Any automatic or sawed-off firearm, zip-gun, or ballistic knife;

 

(2) Any explosive device or incendiary device;

 

(3) Nitroglycerin, nitrocellulose, nitrostarch, PETN, cyclonite, TNT, picric acid, and other high explosives; amatol, tritonal, tetrytol, pentolite, pecretol, cyclotol, and other high explosive compositions; plastic explosives; dynamite, blasting gelatin, gelatin dynamite, sensitized ammonium nitrate, liquid-oxygen blasting explosives, blasting powder, and other blasting agents; and any other explosive substance having sufficient brisance or power to be particularly suitable for use as a military explosive, or for use in mining, quarrying, excavating, or demolitions;

 

(4) Any firearm, rocket launcher, mortar, artillery piece, grenade, mine, bomb, torpedo, or similar weapon, designed and manufactured for military purposes, and the ammunition for that weapon;

 

(5) Any firearm muffler or silencer;

 

(6) Any combination of parts that is intended by the owner for use in converting any firearm or other device into a dangerous ordnance.

 

(L) “Dangerous ordnance” does not include any of the following:

 

(1) Any firearm, including a military weapon and the ammunition for that weapon, and regardless of its actual age, that employs a percussion cap or other obsolete ignition system, or that is designed and safe for use only with black powder;

 

(2) Any pistol, rifle, or shotgun, designed or suitable for sporting purposes, including a military weapon as issued or as modified, and the ammunition for that weapon, unless the firearm is an automatic or sawed-off firearm;

 

(3) Any cannon or other artillery piece that, regardless of its actual age, is of a type in accepted use prior to 1887, has no mechanical, hydraulic, pneumatic, or other system for absorbing recoil and returning the tube into battery without displacing the carriage, and is designed and safe for use only with black powder;

 

(4) Black powder, priming quills, and percussion caps possessed and lawfully used to fire a cannon of a type defined in division (L)(3) of this section during displays, celebrations, organized matches or shoots, and target practice, and smokeless and black powder, primers, and percussion caps possessed and lawfully used as a propellant or ignition device in small-arms or small-arms ammunition;

 

(5) Dangerous ordnance that is inoperable or inert and cannot readily be rendered operable or activated, and that is kept as a trophy, souvenir, curio, or museum piece.

 

(6) Any device that is expressly excepted from the definition of a destructive device pursuant to the “Gun Control Act of 1968,” 82 Stat. 1213, 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(4), as amended, and regulations issued under that act.

 

(M) “Explosive” means any chemical compound, mixture, or device, the primary or common purpose of which is to function by explosion. “Explosive” includes all materials that have been classified as class A, class B, or class C explosives by the United States department of transportation in its regulations and includes, but is not limited to, dynamite, black powder, pellet powders, initiating explosives, blasting caps, electric blasting caps, safety fuses, fuse igniters, squibs, cordeau detonant fuses, instantaneous fuses, and igniter cords and igniters. “Explosive” does not include “fireworks,” as defined in section 3743.01 of the Revised Code, or any explosive that is not subject to regulation under the rules of the fire marshal adopted pursuant to section 3737.82 of the Revised Code.

[Miller]

I have a paperweight I purchased from http://www.defensedevices.com/knuckles.html

I only have carried them when I have to go to bad parts of town.

[SPLN SUX]

is there a code that specifies they are not allowed, or is it just at the officer's discretion? do you mean you've only seen one, or you've only confiscated one?

 

 

 

the way i read it, it says the person who gave or sold them to me would have to do some explaining? it doesnt explicitly say they are forbidden to possess, only to possess for sale... also it doesnt say its illegal to buy them, only to sell them. lol

 

Marajuana seeds are legal to buy, but you cant grow them. And once you introduce them to water, you cant sell them again. Theres lots of stuff like that.

[HAOLE]

Why carry brass knuckles and go to jail, when I can carry a gun legally.

[wnaplay1647545503]

I can testify to the pain a pair of brass knuckles can create. 2 weeks later, the other guy could testify to the pain of an ass whooopin.

[copperhead]

A mag light works better anyway, with no legal worries.

[dragknee66]

A mag light works better anyway, with no legal worries.

 

Yup just carry around a big D cell sized mag heh