thorne Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 Read this and then respond. http://counterpunch.com/nathan02262008.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 I see no issue with the facility the prisoners were at. If the guard is having issues, then they should have moved him to a job more suited to his lack of coping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul ron paul edit: ron paul edit 2: too long didn't read. torture's ok by me tho. seems like the only people who ever get wrongfully tortured aren't exactly the smartest or in association with 100% legal activities all the time. besides, we need a little social darwinism from time to time; i just wish we'd get rid of a few crackpot conservatives more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hal Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 Too lazy to care or read much of what was posted. I am not opposed to mild torture, and no I will not define mild torture. Just reading the first part of that, I doubt Mr. H the NG guy would really be watching something that is illegal and classified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 Torturing the enemy is okay by me. They won't even consider not torturing us and they don't even care if they get any information since their doing it to please their god. Evan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black ITR Guy Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 Torturing the enemy is okay by me. They won't even consider not torturing us and they don't even care if they get any information since their doing it to please their god. Evan agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorback Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 Same as above -- they wouldn't even torture us, just cut off our heads as they so often like to do and video tape it. I personally think we as a nation are far too lenient on criminals and our enemies in general. To steal a line from a recent movie "criminals thrive on the indulgence of society's understanding" and that is cold, hard, fact. Start putting them to death for something as "simple" as breaking and entering, theft, rape, I bet things would head in a more positive direction. I've also always been a fan of the olden days where executions were a public thing. If they have nothing positive to contribute to society, kill them. Sorry if my harsher views offend anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorne Posted February 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 What about those who are not actually the "ENEMY" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 What about those who are not actually the "ENEMY" We used this quote in Iraq, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razorback Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 I assume you mean "suspected" criminals with ties to criminal organizations, etc. not someone who's actually been indicted on something? Assuming that's what you mean, it would depend on the evidence at hand on the person and what they admit to. You can't go just torture innocent people where there's no proof of wrong-doing. Once solid evidence is established though, like a link to Al'Qaeda or a brutal gang, etc., I have no problem at all with existing interrogation methods to include or not include "torture". Hope that answers your question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 i used to think so, but people say whatever you want to hear when you are torturing them, so I am not sure if you actually get any usefull info for the majority of things. And when you are supposed to be the greatest nation on earth do you really think you should lower your standards to a nation that disgusts you at the same time? All the info you could need can be had by other means, torture is for the lazy people in charge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 If they aren't a US citizen than they get tortured. Its completely fair to me. If they are a US citizen like that one kid that was caught fighting on the side of the enemy then he can be tortured as well. Though personally I don't think I'd have even taken him prisoner since it would be much less hassle to just bury the dumbass in the sand and leave the media out of it. Evan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted February 26, 2008 Report Share Posted February 26, 2008 CIA boys know how to do it right atleast :nod: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHaze Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Completely fair and useful. Win-win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorne Posted February 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 We used this quote in Iraq, better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Ummmm but were not talkinga bout judging were talkinga bout toture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorne Posted February 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 i used to think so, but people say whatever you want to hear when you are torturing them, so I am not sure if you actually get any usefull info for the majority of things. And when you are supposed to be the greatest nation on earth do you really think you should lower your standards to a nation that disgusts you at the same time? All the info you could need can be had by other means, torture is for the lazy people in charge The cia stated that they got useless info and that by talking to them and other techniques there were able to extract more reliable info. There is the chance that us citizens could end up in guat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conesmasher Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 So, getting scraped knees is torture? Enought to go to the hospital. When I fell on the sidewalk and scraped my knee as a child.....I didn't go to the hospital, I rinsed it off, slapped a band aid on that sucker went about my business again. This story has no depth besides a soldier who seems to be having a mentally unstable time of it. Who knows what he's upset about, but there has to be more behind the story, I need details. It's going to have to get juicy though. I need more than waterboarding to throw up a big "WTF". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conesmasher Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Ummmm but were not talkinga bout judging were talkinga bout toture. Well obviously were not torturing them enough if they still think that throwing feces is a "strong" method of communication. Waterboarding is "torture light" in my opinion and if a mother fucker in prison throws feces at me, he'd better be willing to eat shit in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinner Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 There is the chance that us citizens could end up in guat Really? Personally I thing you need to stop lead paint chips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Ummmm but were not talkinga bout judging were talkinga bout toture. Persuading the enemy to talk is one of those, we'd rather be wrong than dead wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lustalbert Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 Link to known terrorist orginization? Congratulations, even if you where a US citizen, you are now an enemy combatant. All of your civil rights are now void, have fun in jail, hope you can hold your breath for long periods of time. No problem with creative questioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 we give way too much of a damn about criminals in this country. fuck them...if they did wrong and are sent to guat, then God help them. personally, if we don't get what we need out of them after a certain period of time, they should just put those fucks down for good instead of wasting all the resources that go into keeping them there. same goes for all of our scum that is sentenced to life in prison...why? I just don't get that shit either. kill them already and move on......or stick them on "liberal island" and let those that live there deal with them. waste of thought power for anyone to think about this any further really. There is the chance that us citizens could end up in guat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coleyounger3 Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 we give way too much of a damn about criminals in this country. fuck them...if they did wrong and are sent to guat, then God help them. personally, if we don't get what we need out of them after a certain period of time, they should just put those fucks down for good instead of wasting all the resources that go into keeping them there. same goes for all of our scum that is sentenced to life in prison...why? I just don't get that shit either. kill them already and move on......or stick them on "liberal island" and let those that live there deal with them. waste of thought power for anyone to think about this any further really. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty2Hotty Posted February 27, 2008 Report Share Posted February 27, 2008 we give way too much of a damn about criminals in this country. fuck them...if they did wrong and are sent to guat, then God help them. personally, if we don't get what we need out of them after a certain period of time, they should just put those fucks down for good instead of wasting all the resources that go into keeping them there. same goes for all of our scum that is sentenced to life in prison...why? I just don't get that shit either. kill them already and move on......or stick them on "liberal island" and let those that live there deal with them. waste of thought power for anyone to think about this any further really. Spot on the money. You should run for president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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