88lx5oh Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 anyone use the MRI ce2 and no2 ive been reading up on the ce2 high def.. seems like decent stuff. no water retention is a big plus for me, and it supposedly the creatine absorbs quickly. also supposedly coupled with thermoRK aka rasberry keyton used for fat burning. as well as Beta alanine to prevent lactic acid burn during workouts now the no2 black .. which is supposed to stack well with it.. supposed great recovery, and perpetual pump. ive just read online about people who have taken it and had great results. but would like an opinion from someone on here. the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evo_Nick Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 I Haven't used CE2 but a friend of mine loves it. He also stacks it with the NO2. Right now I'm Taking just the NO2 Black and it's pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delaney Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 They seem pretty popular. Only creatine I have taken is CellTech MuscleTech, Muntz recommended it to me, did make me stronger in just the first couple weeks esp benching, but also made me feel bloaty so im just drinking whey protien shakes 2 times a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwishiwascool Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 If your diet is perfect and you've reached your non-supplemented maximum... then look at potential supplements. Otherwise it is a waste of money. Nothing replaces intensity and diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Korpy1647545521 Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 this kid i work with is a personal trainer on the side and he said most supplements are a waste of money and just another way for people to get money out of you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltboostin Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 If your diet is perfect and you've reached your non-supplemented maximum... then look at potential supplements. Otherwise it is a waste of money. Nothing replaces intensity and diet. He is correct. I managed a GNC, am a personal trainer-and I more or less have a pretty good grasp on what works, and what doesn't. The most fit people that walked in y store-5-8% bodyfat, great muscle mass, just stuck with their protein, and tried something every now and again. The guys that were stacking No2+a CRE product+Beta+Test+++ usually had unimpressive physiques, and were likely trying to hard to substitute hard work for suplimentation. Cliffs of my knowledge-Take in at least 1g of protein per lbs body weight. Once a week-surge that to 1.5g, and double your calorie count. That surge crates a ridiculous anabolic effect that will up GH and Test levels naturally. As far as supliments go- the best all around company in stores today as far as product quality and performance goes, is Gaspari. BSN is a fairly close second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 If your diet is perfect and you've reached your non-supplemented maximum... then look at potential supplements. Otherwise it is a waste of money. Nothing replaces intensity and diet. I have never heard of better advice. I wish more people ahd this mentality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black00ws6 Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 The people who benefit the most from supplements are those who sell them. Stick with a Zone or Paleo for your diet, and compound lifts/high intensity/crossfit style at the gym. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2pointslow Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 CE2=crap N02= crap pure monohydrate MCC Size-On and superpump250 green mag + white flood If money is an issue just use prolabs creapure, cytogainer and beta-alanine. I will never use anything else than cytogainer and mono. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2pointslow Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 The people who benefit the most from supplements are those who sell them. Stick with a Zone or Paleo for your diet, and compound lifts/high intensity/crossfit style at the gym. WRONG No one diet works for everyone. You first need to asess your goals, find out your caloric exp. Then you need to find out RMR is. Most people need 1500 cals a day to just veg. Add in your daily activities and it goes up. I am eating around 6500 cals a day. 400-450 protein 5-600g of carbs 140-160g of fat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2pointslow Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 He is correct. I managed a GNC, am a personal trainer-and I more or less have a pretty good grasp on what works, and what doesn't. The most fit people that walked in y store-5-8% bodyfat, great muscle mass, just stuck with their protein, and tried something every now and again. The guys that were stacking No2+a CRE product+Beta+Test+++ usually had unimpressive physiques, and were likely trying to hard to substitute hard work for suplimentation. Cliffs of my knowledge-Take in at least 1g of protein per lbs body weight. Once a week-surge that to 1.5g, and double your calorie count. That surge crates a ridiculous anabolic effect that will up GH and Test levels naturally. As far as supliments go- the best all around company in stores today as far as product quality and performance goes, is Gaspari. BSN is a fairly close second. BSN sucks and are a bunch of liars. They are currently being sued. Gaspari is ok that is about the best peice of advice you have given. Ok now for the best companies out there Cytosport agxsports primidol performance beverly prolab ( creatine) universal Oh and of course europe for the other SUBSTANCES of which you might want. If you want any real adivce PM me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTHER91 Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 hoblick all thease guys dont know jack they are all small listen to me 2 words "badger milk" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2pointslow Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 hoblick all thease guys dont know jack they are all small listen to me 2 words "badger milk" LMAO badger milk..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coltboostin Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 BSN sucks and are a bunch of liars. They are currently being sued. Gaspari is ok that is about the best peice of advice you have given. Ok now for the best companies out there Cytosport agxsports primidol performance beverly prolab ( creatine) universal Oh and of course europe for the other SUBSTANCES of which you might want. If you want any real adivce PM me. You a little to hyped to think clearly, but I will give you Beverly. I was more speaking on their Proteins. BSN is silky smooth, and some on the biggest and leanest Motherfuckers I worked with only use it. They're fucked on Ethyl Ester, but shit happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black00ws6 Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 WRONG No one diet works for everyone. eating clean works for everyone instead of filling their body full of shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sully Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 OMG, all of this arguing about who makes the better product, which product is better is just plain ridiculous. Just do what most of the big athletes are doing these days...roids. They seem to work. j/k. I would never advise anyone to do that. Just eat healthy and do a lot of lifting. Don't waste money on that other crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinner Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 eating clean works for everyone instead of filling their body full of shit truth. If you eat low cal low carb and high protien with a decent workout plan you will easily drop fat and add muscle to your frame. In the last 4 months with working out 4 days a week and a ok diet (around 2500 caliories a day) I have dropped 15 lbs. Have gained 6lbs of lean muscle and lost 10 lbs of fat (Had my BFI checked on monday). Come Monday I plan on going to 1500 cal a day with about half that being protien and working out 7 days a week. My goal is to lose another 5% of body fat. Anyway Ryan are you wanting to build mass or cut body fat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TURBOED Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 They're fucked on Ethyl Ester, but shit happens. Details? Is CEE in general found to be garbage, or was it something BSN did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustlestiltskin Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 truth. If you eat low cal low carb and high protien with a decent workout plan you will easily drop fat and add muscle to your frame. In the last 4 months with working out 4 days a week and a ok diet (around 2500 caliories a day) I have dropped 15 lbs. Have gained 6lbs of lean muscle and lost 10 lbs of fat (Had my BFI checked on monday). Come Monday I plan on going to 1500 cal a day with about half that being protien and working out 7 days a week. My goal is to lose another 5% of body fat. Anyway Ryan are you wanting to build mass or cut body fat? what was your BFI ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2pointslow Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 You a little to hyped to think clearly, but I will give you Beverly. I was more speaking on their Proteins. BSN is silky smooth, and some on the biggest and leanest Motherfuckers I worked with only use it. They're fucked on Ethyl Ester, but shit happens. syntha-6 is good....other than that i cant stand BSN. The other companies imo are the best there is out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88lx5oh Posted April 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Anyway Ryan are you wanting to build mass or cut body fat? both.. i have a pretty clean diet, and i intake about 180 grams a protein a day. right now im using just some protein, glutamine, and take omega 3 pills. i used some creatine, and i like the recovery it gives you, but hate the water retention.. so i was kind of cycling it every 3rd week i would use it. but now i backed completely off it. i probably dont intake as many calories as i should, for i probably burn more than i eat in a day, which is working against me building mass. but im still trying to lean out the bottom section of my abs. i work out about 4 times a week, and only do cardio once a week, so not to burn off any muscle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2pointslow Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 eating clean works for everyone instead of filling their body full of shit What i said was you cant take one diet and think it works for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88lx5oh Posted April 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 by the way.. beverly international muscle provider is the shit if your looking to lean out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2pointslow Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 both.. i have a pretty clean diet, and i intake about 180 grams a protein a day. right now im using just some protein, glutamine, and take omega 3 pills. i used some creatine, and i like the recovery it gives you, but hate the water retention.. so i was kind of cycling it every 3rd week i would use it. but now i backed completely off it. i probably dont intake as many calories as i should, for i probably burn more than i eat in a day, which is working against me building mass. but im still trying to lean out the bottom section of my abs. i work out about 4 times a week, and only do cardio once a week, so not to burn off any muscle. Where do you work out at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88lx5oh Posted April 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 my house i have a treadmill, eliptical, and a weight setup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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