LJ Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Just because someone is a cop does not mean that they are a good shot, or anymore responsible than the average citizen. Cops come from the general population, are human and make mistakes too. I've seen cops qualify... doesn't make me feel too safe to say the least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin R. Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Just because someone is a cop does not mean that the are a good shot. It is true. I was watching Deadliest Police Videos today as I sat on the couch eating one of those oven cooked pizzas from the Schwann man. It was kind of soft so I think I should have cooked it longer as I usually like a more crispy crust. It was the pepporoni brand and it was pretty good but it tasted as if they put a little too much oregano in; kind of overpowering when you want to enjoy the rest of the pizza. So to wash that down I had some left-over strawberry Fanta from the night before I purchased at Speedway. I was really surprised because even though I filled the cup about half-way up with ice the Fanta didn't really taste watered down at all and was really delicous. It washed the pizza down really well. So, as all that was going down these people on the show went to run because, as it later turns out when they threw it out the window, they had about ten kilo of cocaine the officer was about to find. Anywho, as they got in the car and went to leave the officer shot at the tire about 3 feet in front of his face and missed. This was on a Blazer or something so it isn't like he was shooting at low profile tires or anything. I said to my buddy I bet I could Peter North cumshot the tire better than that cop shot it. They finally pulled up next to him and took the tire out with a shotgun. I lold they needed a shot gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirks5oh Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Not to nag' date='because your a cool dude,But i dont think you can carry in a chipotle because they serve beer. At least thats what it sounds like from what the books i have been reading say.[/quote'] i know, i just used that as an example because i read the op mentioned chipotle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 The last thing I would ever want to do is shoot someone. That would be an event that you would never forget. I will however defend myself, my family, or any other person that is in mortal danger. The guilt of pulling the trigger will always be less than the guilt of not pulling the trigger and watching an innocent person die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hal Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Tilley, I think it boils down to a false sense of security for many people. I know I fall prey to that. It's easier to feel safe if you believe you have leveled the playing field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirks5oh Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 you dont carry a gun to stop a robbery. you carry it incase you feel you're life is in jeopardy. if someone came into where i was eating and robbed the table next to me or even my own, oh well. if shots started flying, THEN i would feel threatened and attempt to protect myself and anyone else there. IMO, i would much rather make calls and take time to replace the contents of my wallet than go through all the crap associated with shooting or killing someone, and to have that on my mind forever...if it would b justified, it wouldnt sit as heavy on my shoulders i agree with your reasoning and it sounds like you've thought this through---but many, many people who decide to carry guns have NOT thought things through, at all. you couldn't even imagine all the different excuses i've heard why someone was shot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Tilley, I think it boils down to a false sense of security for many people. I know I fall prey to that. It's easier to feel safe if you believe you have leveled the playing field. When we owned an apartment complex on morse and tamrack, I carried when I did maintnence work and NEVER felt safe even while carrying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evan9381 Posted July 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 i know, i just used that as an example because i read the op mentioned chipotle. right. i can understand not carrying in bars, or while you yourself are consuming ANY, but to say i cannot carry while running in to grab a bol...its a hassle to disarm in the car and then rearm when i get back in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 I've seen cops qualify... doesn't make me feel too safe to say the least Last winter I was on my way home, turned the corner to my house and a deer was laying in the road. The buck had a great rack. I pulled next to it and it got up on the front hooves and drug it's rear end, it had been hit. So I called the sheriff and wait for them to get there. The cop gets out of his car and pulls the deer out of the brush still alive. The cop pulls out his .40 Smith and has to put one in the chamber ( I could not believe that he did not have a round in the chamber). He shoots the deer about 4 times. Looks down at the deer(still alive) and looks at me. Then he says, " Piece of junk gun", and empties the rest of the magazine into the deer. all the wile I am bitting my lounge, trying not to give the sheriff's officer a shooting lesson. I hope I don't have to depend on him during a robbery to save me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirks5oh Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 right. i can understand not carrying in bars, or while you yourself are consuming ANY, but to say i cannot carry while running in to grab a bol...its a hassle to disarm in the car and then rearm when i get back in maybe they need a drive-thru. see, problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Last winter I was on my way home, turned the corner to my house and a deer was laying in the road. The buck had a great rack. I pulled next to it and it got up on the front hooves and drug it's rear end, it had been hit. So I called the sheriff and wait for them to get there. The cop gets out of his car and pulls the deer out of the brush still alive. The cop pulls out his .40 Smith and has to put one in the chamber ( I could not believe that he did not have a round in the chamber). He shoots the deer about 4 times. Looks down at the deer(still alive) and looks at me. Then he says, " Piece of junk gun", and empties the rest of the magazine into the deer. all the wile I am bitting my lounge, trying not to give the sheriff's officer a shooting lesson. I hope I don't have to depend on him during a robbery to save me. Genoa qualifies from 30 feet (yes 10 yards) with full size shilouettes and it's pretty laughable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hal Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Genoa qualifies from 30 feet (yes 10 yards) with full size shilouettes and it's pretty laughable And what distance do most shootings happen at?* *Average distance of course. **Yes I know the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAOLE Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Genoa qualifies from 30 feet (yes 10 yards) with full size shilouettes and it's pretty laughable This guy was within two feet of the deer and could not kill it with four shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evan9381 Posted July 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 i agree with your reasoning and it sounds like you've thought this through---but many, many people who decide to carry guns have NOT thought things through, at all. you couldn't even imagine all the different excuses i've heard why someone was shot i understand what you're saying, but thats kinda shitty to group everyone together as that. many many people who carry im sure think the same way if i shoot someone, im probably going to be taken to the police station for questioning, at the minimum, im going to have to go through quite a legal proceeding, and 99% of the time, get sued by the person who got shot (if he's alive still) or his family if he died, then have to live with it forever or, i can give him my wallet, call my credit card companies, credit buereaus, DMV, cancel everything, and continue with my life. i don't carry wanting to blast the first person who looks at me wrong. i carry so if im in the position where the SHTF, i may have a chance to dodge said shit. it goes back to the saying "its better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 And what distance do most shootings happen at?* *Average distance of course. **Yes I know the answer. The amount of misses is what is laughable. They only had to score 90% I think and some guys were close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evan9381 Posted July 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 yeah...i think we qualified for our CCW from 7 yards with full size silhouettes. no point of needing to shoot someone over 7-10 yards. at that point, they'll either be a) leaving/running away or b) in a position i may not feel endangered (unless they have a gun drawn on me already) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 yeah...i think we qualified for our CCW from 7 yards with full size silhouettes. no point of needing to shoot someone over 7-10 yards. at that point, they'll either be a) leaving/running away or b) in a position i may not feel endangered (unless they have a gun drawn on me already) It was funny to stand there and listen to an officer go "I need another target, I have 4 misses already" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hal Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 The amount of misses is what is laughable. They only had to score 90% I think and some guys were close Ok, I misunderstood what you were saying was laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old dirty bastard Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Do you feel like a hardass carrying a gun?I didn't see anything in his post about him trying to be a hardass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 Ok, I misunderstood what you were saying was laughable. From the tactical plan that my gf and I have for our homes (yes we have one, don't laugh) My position is like 4 yards from the entry point. If you must know, our plan is to first secure ourselves in a room and call 911, but to only shoot if the door to the room is kicked in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirks5oh Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 i understand what you're saying, but thats kinda shitty to group everyone together as that. many many people who carry im sure think the same way well, let's say that you bring your concealed gun into mcdonalds. you order your food, go to grab your drink, and as you turn around with your drink in your hand, you accidentally bump into another patron and spill your pop on him. he calls you an asshole and shoves you. a fist fight ensues---do you pull out your gun??? i will admit that i AM generalizing a bit, because i think many people who carry can be put into situations like the one above, and make a mistake. are you in imminent danger of losing your life in the above situation?? absolutely not. is it justified to pull out your gun in mcdonalds and shoot the guy?? absolutely not---so what would you do if this guy was standing between you and the exit, and the only weapon he was weilding was a beergut and his fists?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 well, let's say that you bring your concealed gun into mcdonalds. you order your food, go to grab your drink, and as you turn around with your drink in your hand, you accidentally bump into another patron and spill your pop on him. he calls you an asshole and shoves you. a fist fight ensues---do you pull out your gun??? i will admit that i AM generalizing a bit, because i think many people who carry can be put into situations like the one above, and make a mistake. are you in imminent danger of losing your life in the above situation?? absolutely not. is it justified to pull out your gun in mcdonalds and shoot the guy?? absolutely not---so what would you do if this guy was standing between you and the exit, and the only weapon he was weilding was a beergut and his fists?? There are ways of using your concealed weapon to your advantage in a situation like that without ever removing your gun from the holster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirks5oh Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 There are ways of using your concealed weapon to your advantage in a situation like that without ever removing your gun from the holster. like??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evan9381 Posted July 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 well, if i spilled my pop on him (because i wasnt looking or he was in my way, either way...), calls me an asshole and shoves me, for a fistfight to ensue, i guess it would mean i would attack him for shoving me...correct? i mean if he shoves me, he's probably not going to be coming after me for a follow up. in that case, if i came back at him, i *could* be considered the agressor because i had an option to walk away. IF i was found to be the agressor, i can not pull my gun, legally now, if i spilled my pop, he shoved me, and was crazy enough to pull out a pocket knife and say he was going to kill me and started coming at me (extreme end of the spectrum, i know), at that point my gun would be drawn letting him know to rethink his decision. if he still came at me to the point where i felt there was no stopping it, he would get shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 like??? If the guy was really threatening me and would just not let it go and insisted on fighting me, you can do something such as scratch your side and, look there happens to be a gun there... never pulled it, never touched it, never used it in a threatning manner, i did nothing more than scratch a bug bite on my side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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