copperhead Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.summer.shootings.2.810166.html Nearly 125 Shot Dead In Chicago Over Summer Total Is About Double The Death Toll In Iraq CHICAGO (CBS) ― An estimated 123 people were shot and killed over the summer. That's nearly double the number of soldiers killed in Iraq over the same time period. Information from wire service reports and the Chicago Police Major Incidents log indicated that 123 people were shot and killed throughout the city between the start of Memorial Day weekend on May 26, and the end of Labor Day on Sept. 1. According to the Defense Department, 65 soldiers were killed in combat in Iraq. About the same number were killed in Afghanistan over that same period. In the same time period, an estimated 245 people were shot and wounded in the city. The South Side's Englewood District, which includes the Englewood and West Englewood neighborhoods on the city's South Side, fared the worst over the summer. A total of 14 people were shot dead there, and 48 were shot and wounded. The next highest totals came in the Grand Crossing District, which includes the South Shore, Woodlawn, Park Manor and Grand Crossing neighborhoods on the South Side, 12 people were killed and 31 were injured. Also hit severely by gun violence over the summer was the Ogden District – which includes the Near Southwest Side's Lawndale and Little Village neighborhoods – where 10 people were killed and six were injured. The South Chicago District on the Southeast Side saw nine people killed and 11 injured, almost all concentrated in the South Chicago and Avalon Park neighborhoods at the north end of the district. The West Side's Austin District saw also saw nine people killed and 12 injured, while the Far South Side's Calumet District – including the Roseland, Fernwood and Pullman neighborhoods – saw eight killed and 20 injured. So....its safer to be in Iraq or Afghanistan than in the US city with the most strict gun control. That makes sense http://smiliesftw.com/x/ugh2.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderboy Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 take a look at those neighborhoods. not exactly the kind of places that gun laws matter in. edit: come on mike, you know better. you can make statistics say anything you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Gun Control people can eat a dick. Yes i have much better arguments and I could go on for hours but i think eat a dick sums it up best. In on first page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonneVille Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 edit: come on mike, you know better. you can make statistics say anything you want. QFT Here's me, making statistics say what I want: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15304 Gun Control people can eat a dick. x2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted September 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 edit: come on mike, you know better. you can make statistics say anything you want. If I was the one writing the statistics then sure, but I'm just linking to it. I am curious though - how come Chi Town is calling in the National Guard, and handing out M4 Carbine rifles to their street cops in order to try and reclaim the city, yet they don't trust a law abiding citizen to own, or ZOMG CARRY, a .45 Colt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryBMW Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 -Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 take a look at those neighborhoods. not exactly the kind of places that gun laws matter in. Gun laws don't matter, no matter what neighborhood you're in. Criminals break laws. What difference does it make to a person willing to shoot someone else if the gun he uses to do so is legal or not? It doesn't. There is nothing to argue. Gun laws are as fucking retarded as the people that support them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorne Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 Gun Control people can eat a dick. Yes i have much better arguments and I could go on for hours but i think eat a dick sums it up best. In on first page /thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHaze Posted September 4, 2008 Report Share Posted September 4, 2008 /thread There goes most of your two party-dwelling liberal party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mensan Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 Gun laws don't matter, no matter what neighborhood you're in. Criminals break laws. What difference does it make to a person willing to shoot someone else if the gun he uses to do so is legal or not? It doesn't. There is nothing to argue. Gun laws are as fucking retarded as the people that support them. Negative. This is a blanket statement meaning that any law pertaining to a firearm has no purpose. This is simply not true. Mike, the problem is, in those areas, there are either a limited amount of "law abiding citizens", or, the police would have no idea how to differentiate them from the "bad guys". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 Negative. This is a blanket statement meaning that any law pertaining to a firearm has no purpose. This is simply not true. Mike, the problem is, in those areas, there are either a limited amount of "law abiding citizens", or, the police would have no idea how to differentiate them from the "bad guys". Yeah because when I go into Vances I see tons of criminals legally buying firearms with paperwork. Or when you hear about a shooting with a full auto weapon I am sure that person applied for a tax stamp and the gun is an unmodified pre 1986 gun. I am sure that the person that pulled out a concealed handgun and shot the local 7/11 attendant took the required class and applied for the proper license to carry a handgun. So if Criminals are already doing all this stuff illegally, how are new laws going to help prevent crime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mensan Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 I never said I was in support of either side. You aren't arguing with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted September 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 I never said I was in support of either side. You aren't arguing with me. I'm arguing with you :bangbang: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Karacho1647545492 Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 If I was the one writing the statistics then sure, but I'm just linking to it. I am curious though - how come Chi Town is calling in the National Guard, and handing out M4 Carbine rifles to their street cops in order to try and reclaim the city, yet they don't trust a law abiding citizen to own, or ZOMG CARRY, a .45 Colt? because in a town where gang violence (article dated april 20, 2008) is taking over the south side of the city, you can't tell who is law abiding and who isnt. that's literally the first article that pops up when i type "chicago gang violence" into google, and the neighborhoods mentioned in my article are the same as yours. not to mention that "a suspect toting an AK-47 has been charged with murder and three counts of attempted murder after allegedly killing a man and shooting at police" is the 4th paragraph in...thats why cops are handing out M4s, because they're outgunned by the non-law abiding citizens edit: and i know, xxx% of crimes are committed by handguns etc etc. but when a dude with an AK is shooting at a cop, do you think that cop is worried about the higher danger, murder rate, or whatever of handguns? no, he's thinking about finding a more powerful, more accurate gun than an AK so he can take down the criminal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 Negative. This is a blanket statement meaning that any law pertaining to a firearm has no purpose. This is simply not true. Name one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 because in a town where gang violence (article dated april 20, 2008) is taking over the south side of the city, you can't tell who is law abiding and who isnt. that's literally the first article that pops up when i type "chicago gang violence" into google, and the neighborhoods mentioned in my article are the same as yours. not to mention that "a suspect toting an AK-47 has been charged with murder and three counts of attempted murder after allegedly killing a man and shooting at police" is the 4th paragraph in...thats why cops are handing out M4s, because they're outgunned by the non-law abiding citizens edit: and i know, xxx% of crimes are committed by handguns etc etc. but when a dude with an AK is shooting at a cop, do you think that cop is worried about the higher danger, murder rate, or whatever of handguns? no, he's thinking about finding a more powerful, more accurate gun than an AK so he can take down the criminal .223 is a precision cartridge and is not anywhere near the power of the 7.62x39. You are looking at 62 grain vs 122 grain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 .223 is a precision cartridge and is not anywhere near the power of the 7.62x39. You are looking at 62 grain vs 122 grain Not to mention that the media is so stupid they call every semi automatic rifle an AK-47. They would seriously call a 10/22 an AK-47. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Jp498cc1022ruger.jpg zomg it has a pistol grip and a scope, it's a semi automatic sniper rifle!!11one someone hide the children Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copperhead Posted September 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 Alex, walking down the street with a rifle in your hand is a completely different subject than allowing people that have passed background checks to legally own a pistol, which is a different subject from allowing people who have passed a class and a more thorough investigation to conceal a handgun. If I'm walking down the street and I have a concealed gun, the cop driving by will never know its there, unless he stops and I tell him. And Kenny is right (as always) the media calls everything an AK, except for a while back when everything was an SKS. Easier to incite panic in the readers than to be accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted September 5, 2008 Report Share Posted September 5, 2008 http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.summer.shootings.2.810166.html So....its safer to be in Iraq or Afghanistan than in the US city with the most strict gun control. That makes sense http://smiliesftw.com/x/ugh2.gif If Chicago had 200,000 troops roaming the streets, that number would go down, too. Shame we don't put the same efforts into out own cities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sol740 Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 Eh, this = "Did you know there is crime in poverty and gang stricken areas ?!?! Oh my god there is !!!" Though I am all for legal, non-felony convicted, ownership of most firearms. Though people stating that there should be zero gun laws are being pretty ignorant. Yes criminals will get guns regardless, which is why CCW and The Castle law are nessesary, but lets not make it easier for them to obtain them in the first place. We should already be shutting down, or at least background checking at gun swaps. Why have laws when its as easy as going to the next county (or same) and just proving your age. I also believe private citizens have no need for fully automatic weapons, another gun law that should absolutely be in effect. Just my .02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 I also believe private citizens have no need for fully automatic weapons, another gun law that should absolutely be in effect. Just my .02 That has been in effect since 1934 and requires the purchase of a $200 tax stamp and your local Head Law Enforcement officer must sign off (says yes you can have it) on your paperwork. Plus full auto weapons start around $2500 for a crappy Mac-10 because no new full auto weapons have been made available to the public since 1986 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 Eh, this = "Did you know there is crime in poverty and gang stricken areas ?!?! Oh my god there is !!!" Though I am all for legal, non-felony convicted, ownership of most firearms. Though people stating that there should be zero gun laws are being pretty ignorant. Yes criminals will get guns regardless, which is why CCW and The Castle law are nessesary, but lets not make it easier for them to obtain them in the first place. We should already be shutting down, or at least background checking at gun swaps. Why have laws when its as easy as going to the next county (or same) and just proving your age. I also believe private citizens have no need for fully automatic weapons, another gun law that should absolutely be in effect. Just my .02 You have no need for a car. Get a bike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted September 6, 2008 Report Share Posted September 6, 2008 Exactly. I was just thinking this morning that while I'm really hoping the next few years yield us with leaders that give a shit about Domestic Policy. IMO the stats in Chi-Town are due to our fucking weak ass laws that favor rights for everyone including the scum that walk our streets. Half of those people in the areas discussed are worthless criminals that shouldn't even be breathing....or at least walking the streets. I see no reason why drug dealers, rapists & murderers are allowed to live. I see no reason why those convicted of armed robbery are allowed to have both hands. We also let way to fucking many immigrants that contribute nothing into our country. I only wish our policy makers would toughen up the punishments on the laws we already have vs trying to introduce something new that won't be enforced or work. If Chicago had 200,000 troops roaming the streets, that number would go down, too. Shame we don't put the same efforts into out own cities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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