Science Abuse Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Worth a read, whether you support or condemn the torture of detainees. Has me wanting to read his book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurkvinny Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Good read. My opinion - that of someone who has never served, never been tortured, and has never tortured another - is that there should be many forms of interrigations performed, depending on the person, place, and situation. If non-lethal 'torture' of one detainee can save hundreds of our troops, do it. Is it that cut and dry? No, probably not. How do you determine if that particular person has the knowledge to save others? I don't know. Would I be able to administer the same acts I condone? Probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorne Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Good read. My opinion - that of someone who has never served, never been tortured, and has never tortured another - is that there should be many forms of interrigations performed, depending on the person, place, and situation. If non-lethal 'torture' of one detainee can save hundreds of our troops, do it. Is it that cut and dry? No, probably not. How do you determine if that particular person has the knowledge to save others? I don't know. Would I be able to administer the same acts I condone? Probably not. The it can save X lives is arbitrary because could claim that by listening to every phone call in america you could cut crime. At what point do we draw a line?:bangbang::bangbang::bangbang::bangbang: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurkvinny Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 The it can save X lives is arbitrary because could claim that by listening to every phone call in america you could cut crime. At what point do we draw a line?:bangbang::bangbang::bangbang::bangbang: Hence: How do you determine if that particular person has the knowledge to save others? I don't know. And I would hope that the folks being held and questioned are more closely linked to the war than "everyone in America". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted December 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 There is also the very stong argument that info from torture is not reliable. The tortured individual will tell you anything to make it stopm, "anything" doesn't always mean the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHaze Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 There is also the very stong argument that info from torture is not reliable. The tortured individual will tell you anything to make it stopm, "anything" doesn't always mean the truth. Doubtful and dumb. It's not like they just go "Alright we got our info, let the prisoner free and let's go where he said the weapons are hidden without checking in to it first!!1" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted December 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Doubtful and dumb. It's not like they just go "Alright we got our info, let the prisoner free and let's go where he said the weapons are hidden without checking in to it first!!1" i fail to see how that gets our eagents to the end goal. You're jsut saying that bad info is confirmed as bad by looking into it. That costs money and possibly lives, btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHaze Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 i fail to see how that gets our eagents to the end goal. You're jsut saying that bad info is confirmed as bad by looking into it. That costs money and possibly lives, btw. No, your "argument" against torture is that the information they squeeze out may be incorrect. Hardly an argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted December 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 No, your "argument" against torture is that the information they squeeze out may be incorrect. Hardly an argument. It's not mine, I'm relaying it, and it is supported by research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sol740 Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 I have to side with science, an individual being tortured will just tell you what they think you want to hear. Possibly sending you on some wild goose chase costing money and possibly lives, trying to verify the info. The counter is that if the info is right 1 time out of 10, and it saves american lives, was it worth it ? That's not an easy question. Opening several other lines of questioning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHaze Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 It's not mine, I'm relaying it, and it is supported by research. What sort of research is capable of determining that "some information may be incorrect"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Science Abuse Posted December 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Intelligence Science Board, of the office of the Director Of National Intelligence. They filled 300+ pages of data on the topic, in which they concluded it was not effective and unreliable. Would you like to read them all, or should I try to find a Wiki entry? Did you click'n'read the link in the first post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHaze Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Intelligence Science Board, of the office of the Director Of National Intelligence. They filled 300+ pages of data on the topic, in which they concluded it was not effective and unreliable. Would you like to read them all, or should I try to find a Wiki entry? Did you click'n'read the link in the first post? Yes I read it, but is that the only thing you read? Go read the actual report you're hugging; it essentially says "Be careful with interrogations because nobody has really researched if what you're doing has worked or not." Don't take this like I think the military should be reckless and and use any means to juice out information. There is a science to interrogation. Sure, it may cost money, but if you have little or no leads there really isn't much choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unfunnyryan Posted December 3, 2008 Report Share Posted December 3, 2008 Go watch the movie Ghost of Abu Ghraib. By the way, the US definition of torture is anything short of "organ failure, impairment of bodily function, or even death" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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