Disclaimer Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Wow. Just wow. The human mind is a powerful thing. I don't know what's more impressive, wielding the necessary skills of manipulation to convince people to "martyr" themselves, or the faith / belief in religion and society you have to have as an Islamic woman to be willing to commit suicide as penance for an act you were an unwilling participant in? Horrible.http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,25006101-401,00.htmlA WOMAN suspected of recruiting more than 80 female suicide bombers has confessed to organizing their rapes so she could later convince them that martyrdom was the only way to escape the shame. Samira Jassam, 51, was arrested by Iraqi police and confessed to recruiting the women and orchestrating dozens of attacks.In a video confession, she explained how she had mentally prepared the women for martyrdom operations, passed them on to terrorists who provided explosives, and then took the bombers to their targets.Continued... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawi kid Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 wow........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flounder Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Hmmmm such strong faith they have yet thats how they decide to use it.. Interesting.. Go ahead and carpet bomb them in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disclaimer Posted February 5, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Judge not lest ye be judged, Christians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Hmmmm such strong faith they have yet thats how they decide to use it.. Interesting.. Go ahead and carpet bomb them in my opinion.+1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fonzie Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 What surprises me most about it is the fact it was a woman perpetuating it....Against other women no less. Aren't they supposed to be the fairer/kinder/more nurturing sex????Not to mention all that "Ya Ya Sisterhood" & "Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants" crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 wow....just wow..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 if that isn't effective PsyOps, I don't know what is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangBruhY Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 They are so screwed up over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_c_F Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 They are so screwed up over there.heh literallyI can't imagine that this woman's execution is going to be pleasant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickOn2 Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Organized religion ALWAYS = disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickOn2 Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 One could just as easily argue that a lack of religion ALWAYS = disaster. I chalk it up to religious fanaticism preying on the minds of the weak and afraid. Organized or not..Maybe... but how many times do you hear about encampments of agnostics recruiting suicide bombers, blowing up abortion clinics, or sewing their daughter's cooty-cats closed to ensure their virginity when they let their 65-year-old preacher marry them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_c_F Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Maybe... but how many times do you hear about encampments of agnostics recruiting suicide bombers, blowing up abortion clinics, or sewing their daughter's cooty-cats closed to ensure their virginity when they let their 65-year-old preacher marry them?One must wond whether that is truly religion at work, or societal constraints acting under the guise of faulty religious interpretation. I don't recall any verses in the Qu'Ran, Torah, Bible or elsewhere claiming, "Shalt thou seweth thy daughter's privates together and shalt thou multilate her thereto with sharp rocks and rusty knives, so to preserveth her virginity."Just my .02... most "religious atrocities" happen when there is no religious practice to speak of going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Judge not lest ye be judged, Christians.exempt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickOn2 Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 (edited) One must wond whether that is truly religion at work, or societal constraints acting under the guise of faulty religious interpretation. I don't recall any verses in the Qu'Ran, Torah, Bible or elsewhere claiming, "Shalt thou seweth thy daughter's privates together and shalt thou multilate her thereto with sharp rocks and rusty knives, so to preserveth her virginity."Just my .02... most "religious atrocities" happen when there is no religious practice to speak of going on.The problem IS when fallible human beings try to interpret shit, especially when the interpretations are intended to serve someone's purposes... which are usually to wield power over someone else. Examples:King James version of the bible... rewritten by said monarch for political gainCrusades... Christians thinking they needed to 'save' people of the east LOLSpanish Inquisition.. Christians of Brand A torturing and murdering Christians of Brand B, talk about splitting hairs, jeeshMiddle Eastern and Northern African Muslims will happily yank out pieces of the Koran to explain why all the infidels must dieTaliban... 100% based in religion. disaster, disaster, more disasterBranch Davidian.. Heaven's Gate... nuff saidjust about any mass suicide you can think of... all Churchy McChurchersonsNow you got these Bible nuts out on the West Coast letting their kids die of a paper cut rather than take them to the doctor for a band-aid because "the LAWD is our doctor!"And do not even get me started on the BLACK church, and how none have them have changed since slavery, and all their member being just fine with that.OK this post is long and boring but yeah anyway... religion is a train wreck, and just another excuse to be divisive and judgmental, and we are all better off without it. Edited July 30, 2009 by ChickOn2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 +1 chick, but you forgot to mention MegaChurches. Rod Parsley FTL!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickOn2 Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 +1 chick, but you forgot to mention MegaChurches. Rod Parsley FTL!!IT'S GOOD!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmagicglock Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I heard she promised their families free visa's to the US where they'd receive free universal healthcare! - true story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magley64 Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 IT'S GOOD!!!!!we rode past that on the photo hunt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_c_F Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 IT'S GOOD!!!!!MCA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_c_F Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 The problem IS when fallible human beings try to interpret shit, especially when the interpretations are intended to serve someone's purposes... which are usually to wield power over someone else. Examples:It is of course up to individual humans to think for themselves, though, isn't it?The Crusades, by the way, were wars for Jerusalem trade routes, not for conversion. the more you know.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbot Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 if i was jesus, and this thread was lazarus, i would've left this bitch for dead.too bad i'm not jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerik Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Human history is littered with evils carried out in the name of various organized religions. Quite simply, any time people allow some other people to interpret/ dictate their beliefs for them, then the people doing the dictating end up with unimaginable power. Organized religion is an extremely effective way of controlling people, getting them to serve your ends-- is it any surprise that it's often used to serve ends which any sane person would recognize as vile and hideous?Never, ever, ever trust someone who claims to be speaking on a deity's behalf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aerik Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I don't think it would be accurate to conflate religious leaders with elected officials or the judiciary-In addition to being elected (and therefore, ostensibly, replaceable), they work within a framework that is designed to allow re-evaluation and interpretation. It's part of what keeps the constitution a 'living document'. It's supposed to be able to move forward in time, otherwise only white land-owners over 21 would be allowed to vote.And anyway, the judiciary has the ability to check what congress does, and confirm or deny its constitutionality- show me an organized religion whose holy texts are subject to constant review, and whose leaders are elected in a democratic fashion-- if it exists, it's certainly not one of the major ones.I have plenty of problems with people within our government (on both sides) and with the way we've allowed the democratic process to be co-opted by undemocratic things (large moneyed interests getting more clout than average people could ever bring to bear, for one), but it's just not the same argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_c_F Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I don't think it would be accurate to conflate religious leaders with elected officials or the judiciary-In addition to being elected (and therefore, ostensibly, replaceable), they work within a framework that is designed to allow re-evaluation and interpretation. It's part of what keeps the constitution a 'living document'. It's supposed to be able to move forward in time, otherwise only white land-owners over 21 would be allowed to vote.And anyway, the judiciary has the ability to check what congress does, and confirm or deny its constitutionality- show me an organized religion whose holy texts are subject to constant review, and whose leaders are elected in a democratic fashion-- if it exists, it's certainly not one of the major ones.I have plenty of problems with people within our government (on both sides) and with the way we've allowed the democratic process to be co-opted by undemocratic things (large moneyed interests getting more clout than average people could ever bring to bear, for one), but it's just not the same argument.Well, sure, if you compare it solely to our governmental system.But there are plenty of policy makers in place that simply aren't elected, and aren't subject to review. The head of the Federal Reserve, for instance, or the cabinet of the Presidency. Shit, we technically don't elect the President either.What's ironic about your post is that it's specifically when theocracy is instituted that some of history's worst atrocities come to mind - but I think that says more about the people running the church than it does about the religion itself.One needs only consider the actions of the middle-ages papacy to realize that these periods of strife and unrest directly mirror DIVERGENCE from religious doctrine, and not acceptance. Instead of being humble, we see church leaders demanding alms and wearing gilt robes, building titanic cathedrals and lording over the populace.Religion was a very effective tool for evil men when used improperly... but that tool also works for good. Some truly wonderful organizations and entities exist solely because of theological implementation - the United Methodist Childrens' Fund is one that I work with. Alcoholics Anonymous. Habitat for Humanity. That doesn't even begin to touch the billions of dollars in private charity extended by churches around the world, and the innumerable people who've been personally saved from dangerous and corrupt lifestyles.I get the feeling that a lot of religion is judged by the lowest common denominator. The vocal and vile minority that perverts a good system to suit its own agenda.If you really want to put me on the same level as you'd put, oh, say...Then I guess I can't change your mind. But I'd think twice about condemning religion as the root of all evil in the world, if you wanted to get honest for a second. The problem has never been religion. The problem, as it always does, comes down to the actions of the individual, when that individual alone chooses to lie to his fellow men to suit his own purposes. That sort of evil needs no doctrine or dogma surrounding it to be effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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