ImUrOBGYN Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 you can blame it on that if you want but its toyota's poor design thats the problem. CTS also makes pedels for GM, Honda, Ford and Chrysler and they don't have people being killed. I guess you are unaware that almost every manufacturer had accelerator claims. You may be suprised to know that Ford leads the way by far. That includes Toyota. It'd be short of amazing if any of you did your own damn research before repeating what you hear like so much power of parrot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littleguy Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/toyota-car-safety-recalls-17647-image1.jpg http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/toyota_recall_timeline2.jpg Big awesome picture of screw you sucky resolutions: http://www.newcelica.org/photopost/data/500/115_0760.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonneVille Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 (edited) Oh, and for the guy above who claims its the ecm, how in the hell do you know? Where are your facts? Do you have some sort of insider info you're privy to that the rest of us aren't including Toyota? Do you really think they'd knowingly do this and not recall them? Do you assume those who run Toyota are from another planet where common sense and logic cannot win out? Are you aware that a private group and the NTSA both started their own investigations into Totota including the ecm software and found no faults? I guess they're covering it up, too. \ Do you really want to come down on the side of a company who has been PROVEN to have lied about issues that resulted in deaths,and then CONTINUED to lie about the problems? Yes, Toyota covered up their problems, this isn't even a question except for people like you who haven't been paying attention. Toyota has no fucking clue what's going on, that apparent from their own publications. "It's the floormats, it's friction, it's condensation, we never knew about that problem, what's that paper in your hand with our company service bulletin letterhead on it? We changed the materials in that part to combat a safety problem, but we didn't actually know it had been a problem before we put out the memo to make the change to combat the problem that we just said we didn't know about..." And what happened here when Ford had all of it's problems? Did they get torn apart, same as Toyota? Yes, they fucking did. People on here and everywhere else in country tore Ford to shreds over the Exploder rollovers, the fire issues, the 1st gen airbag fatalities, and everything else. So don't go all persecution complex because you happen to own a car from that shitpile company. BTW, here's the articles on Steve Wozniak replicating the accelerator issue in the Prius. I assume one of the greatest software/hardware geniuses on the planet is a good enough source for you? http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/11/prius.cruise.control/index.html?iref=allsearch http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/04/steve-wozniaks-prius-prob_n_448778.html http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/03/apple-co-founder-my-prius-has-a-problem-too/ And there's plenty more, if you don't like any of those sites: http://news.google.com/news/more?um=1&cf=all&ned=us&cf=all&ncl=dSmnAJ9ZI6Y21CMisbUROUTJMqf2M Here's a few more articles you should maybe read: http://www.thedailymaverick.co.za/article/2010-02-10-toyota-south-africa-knew-of-steering-problem-in-2008-said-nothing http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/21/autos/toyota_document/ http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/08/toyota.recalls/index.html?iref=allsearch http://www.designnews.com/article/448825-Poor_Plastic_Selection_Caused_Gas_Pedal_Failures.php?nid=2334&rid=1142364 http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iQQ34S6JO4atWukmMagF8-He-vPQD9DTQULO0 http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/local_news/100213-Toyota-Tacoma-Recall-Announced Oh, and just in case you're going to go off the deep end and join the stupid fucks that think the NHTSA is persecuting Toyota because "the government owns GM", well the Japanese market cars are gettin recalled too: http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/02/08/950066/dip-in-resale-value-adds-to-toyota.html Edited February 23, 2010 by GonneVille Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tbutera2112 Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 just saw a cool article on the news about this... toyota says if it was an electronic problem the car would go to safe mode and only idle and an engine code would come up...well they tested it by causing an electrical short which would cause the accelerator to stick and the car never went to safe mode like toyota claims and it had no engine codes....the problem they simulated supposedly could be caused by moisture alone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Beast Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Toyota... Its not a stuck throttle, its surprise roll racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oreo Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 hahah moving forward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Do you really want to come down on the side of a company who has been PROVEN to have lied about issues that resulted in deaths,and then CONTINUED to lie about the problems? Yes, Toyota covered up their problems, this isn't even a question except for people like you who haven't been paying attention. Toyota has no fucking clue what's going on, that apparent from their own publications. "It's the floormats, it's friction, it's condensation, we never knew about that problem, what's that paper in your hand with our company service bulletin letterhead on it? We changed the materials in that part to combat a safety problem, but we didn't actually know it had been a problem before we put out the memo to make the change to combat the problem that we just said we didn't know about..." And what happened here when Ford had all of it's problems? Did they get torn apart, same as Toyota? Yes, they fucking did. People on here and everywhere else in country tore Ford to shreds over the Exploder rollovers, the fire issues, the 1st gen airbag fatalities, and everything else. So don't go all persecution complex because you happen to own a car from that shitpile company. BTW, here's the articles on Steve Wozniak replicating the accelerator issue in the Prius. I assume one of the greatest software/hardware geniuses on the planet is a good enough source for you? *Links* Oh, and just in case you're going to go off the deep end and join the stupid fucks that think the NHTSA is persecuting Toyota because "the government owns GM", well the Japanese market cars are gettin recalled too: http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/02/08/950066/dip-in-resale-value-adds-to-toyota.html Dude, I've read it all at this point. Oh, and thanks for proving two of my points about doing full research before posting and media attention. I don't have the time to point it out for you if you're missing the irony. lol Half the articles are shit. It's all a matter of perspective and many things have been taken out of context. Is Toyota perfect? Fuck no, it's a business. However, it's the large amounts of misleading misinformation and everyone who thinks they know everything that's bothersome and annoying. So much of the media is taking this ride and misconstruing and/or making assumptions that the public swallows up, just like anything else they want to keep exciting at the time. Oh, and I've forgotten more shit about this thing than I remember at this point. As I've said, I've kept up with a lot of the talk. I don't recall the article at this point, but the Steve thing is irrelevant. I wish the hell I could remember the particulars about it. Oh, and unless this whole thing about Toyota lying about shit is a new thing (as in the last couple days since I've kinda took a break from caring for now) then there is no proof. But, like I said, I haven't been keeping up lately; before you keep all worked up again. haha Toyota... Its not a stuck throttle, its surprise roll racing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonneVille Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Oh, and unless this whole thing about Toyota lying about shit is a new thing (as in the last couple days since I've kinda took a break from caring for now) then there is no proof. But, like I said, I haven't been keeping up lately; before you keep all worked up again. haha Wow, you REALLY haven't been paying attention. Toyota maintained at the outset that they had no evidence or previous reports of accelerator problems. It's funny how NHTSA records show an investigation about EXACTLY this problem was started in 2004. The Prius was thrown into the floormat recall in spite of the fact that the Prius acceleration issues had occurred at least once in a car that DIDN'T HAVE FLOORMATS INSTALLED because it was on a dealer test drive. Or how about the problem with the Auris in South Africa, where Toyota denied that there had been any problem with the failing steering column brackets, in spite of an internal bulletin concerning changes made to materials because of safety issues. And it's not even like this is at all in question. The 2004 NHTSA investigation was uncovered made national news, and even after that, Toyota still denied having known about the problem in 2008. They lie, they get exposed by their own documentation, and they make up a new lie, they do everything within their power, legal or not, to slow down or obstruct the recall investigation process, right up until a few days before they would be ordered to do a recall, then they try to act like the problem is some new revelation, do a mea culpa, and claim the recall was undertaken out of concern for their customers. Frankly, I think it's time for the government to force Toyota to offer a buy-back program for those models that have been affected by multiple recalls, like the Tacoma, the Prius, the Corolla... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonneVille Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 The Congressional hearing over the Toyota recalls is being broadcast now on C-Span 3, as well as streaming live: http://energycommerce.edgeboss.net/wmedia-live/energycommerce/11990/100_energycommerce-2123_060901.asx So far, the Head Of Sales for Toyota US is making a complete train wreck of things. The Delegate from the Virgin Islands just verbally destroyed him, and our own State Rep. Betty Sutton did a pretty good number on him, too... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuttinfas Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 wasnt the tacoma recalled because of the frames being junk not too long ago? a guy i worked with had 1 with 130,000 miles on it and the recalled it and gave him 1.5x value for it. I dont remember the year of the truck though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tbutera2112 Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/toyota_recall But when pressed by Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., on whether he could say with certainty that the fixes now being undertaken would completely eliminate the problems, Lentz hesitated a moment and then replied: "Not totally." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
85 Z-28 Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 (edited) just saw a cool article on the news about this... toyota says if it was an electronic problem the car would go to safe mode and only idle and an engine code would come up...well they tested it by causing an electrical short which would cause the accelerator to stick and the car never went to safe mode like toyota claims and it had no engine codes....the problem they simulated supposedly could be caused by moisture alone http://www.autoblog.com/2010/02/22/video-smoking-gun-abc-news-expert-recreates-sudden-acceleratio/ Here is a little help on the article, and yes it is from the media soo it must be wrong and super biased, especially when the person that brought this to Toyota's attention was told he was wrong. So he went to ABC with his story and now Toyota says it would like to look over the car he used..... anywho read the article he cannot get his test to replicate on other manufacturer's vehicles. I know sometimes you have mechanical issues, sometimes you overlook an important fail safe in an ECU. I accept that sometimes mistakes happen, but when they do honesty will always be your best policy, not ignoring or sweeping the problem under the rug. Just my $.02 Edited February 24, 2010 by 85 Z-28 left out link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habitual Sinner Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Toyota... Its not a stuck throttle, its surprise roll racing. I <3 Brian Carter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonneVille Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Totally aside from Gilbert's weird little experiment, Exponent recreated the acceleration problem through software on Monday, according to Toyota's own man on the stand. Yup, in a Congressional hearing, Toyota's Head of US Sales blew up the spot and admitted that the problem CAN and HAS been recreated solely through software, by their own investigators. Can't wait to see what happens tomorrow, when they start putting up the Japanese execs and engineers on the stand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck531 Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwN9YXNZHV8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
944s2 Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Yeah Toyota is major fucked. If there is any paper trail that they knew of this issue and lied about it to avoid fixing it they will go down. If I had any stock in Toyota it would be gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Frankly, I think it's time for the government to force Toyota to offer a buy-back program for those models that have been affected by multiple recalls, like the Tacoma, the Prius, the Corolla... ...and who are you? Gonneville is just loving this :jerkit: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonneVille Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Yeah, I AM enjoying this. I'm positively giddy. I've been laughing my ass off for three days straight now watching those lying scumbags stammer and stutter on the stand. Toyota has rested on its reputation for reliability for years, a reputation that they haven't EARNED for years. Maybe while this shit is playing out, the government will finally take a look at the shenanigans they pull to get out of covering engine sludge failures. Damn, you think they're fucked now, just wait until the NHTSA starts looking into cases where owners have had every single oil-change performed on-time in Toyota's own dealer shops and Toyota still tells them they're not eligible for coverage under the sludging settlement. I used to like Toyotas. A Cressida is still on my short list for my first real project build. They used to build cool little cars that were fun to drive and ran forever. Now they build ugly, soulless shitboxes that sludge up, rust in half, randomly drop spare tires on the freeway, cost ungodly amounts of money to fix, and kill their owners. And when they get called out on any of these issues, they lie their asses off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonneVille Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Yeah Toyota is major fucked. If there is any paper trail that they knew of this issue and lied about it to avoid fixing it they will go down. If I had any stock in Toyota it would be gone. Lol, the paper trail is already largely public. Public statements made by Toyota versus NHTSA documentation and Toyota's own internal communications. The whole story is right there in the open. Any additional evidence that turns up is just a nail/icing in/on the coffin/cake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 (edited) ...and who are you? Don't worry, he's famous for this. Not a clammer from the bastard, and then BAM he's in your thread and proclaimed himself the high priest. You just need to create a new thread in which he'll feel strongly about and voila, problem solved. We call this the decoy method. Edited February 25, 2010 by Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GonneVille Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Don't worry, he's famous for this. Not a clammer from the bastard, and then BAM he's in your thread and proclaimed himself the high priest. You just need to create a new thread in which he'll feel strongly about and viola, problem solved. We call this the decoy method. Curses, foiled again! Fine, I'll stay out of the thread here and stick with my fellow Toyota haters elsewhere. The Romper Room isn't nearly as much fun as the old Kitchen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farkas Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 Lol, the paper trail is already largely public. Public statements made by Toyota versus NHTSA documentation and Toyota's own internal communications. The whole story is right there in the open. Any additional evidence that turns up is just a nail/icing in/on the coffin/cake. :jerkit: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc1647545523 Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 You just need to create a new thread in which he'll feel strongly about and viola, problem solved. I love viola music .... the concerti by Telemann are especially compelling. http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r445/martyr65/300px-Playing_viola.jpg Strange optical effect, too: if your head appears large, pick up a viola and voilà, it seems normal size now. No reference to you in that last remark, Jones. Your head definitely does not appear too large. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitrousbird Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 :jerkit: Fanboy, aren't you? How can any automobile enthusiast here be FOR Toyota in the past several years. They used to make cool cars for people who liked cars. Now they make boring shit for people who want A-B transportation. Where are the Celica All-Tracs, Supras, MR2's?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted February 25, 2010 Report Share Posted February 25, 2010 I love viola music .... the concerti by Telemann are especially compelling. http://i355.photobucket.com/albums/r445/martyr65/300px-Playing_viola.jpg Strange optical effect, too: if your head appears large, pick up a viola and voilà, it seems normal size now. No reference to you in that last remark, Jones. Your head definitely does not appear too large. What would we do without you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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