Turbotrio Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 We are direct with all the "Higher End" header companies like Kooks, American Racing, Stainless Works, Borla, B&B, DynaTech, etc etc. However, I am looking to go direct with one of the cheaper brands for those that don't have $1k+ to spend on headers and am currently on the fence. What would you rather have -- a mild steel PaceSetter that is USA-made and fits good or a China-made OBX-type product that is stainless but might not be as great in the "Fit and Finish" department? Is it just, "Whatever is cheapest" or if both of the above options were the same price what do you prefer? Thanks for the feed-back, Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 why not both? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Stainless for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmuckingham Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Have you guys looked at Accufab? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 (edited) Jeff, I just called you on this last week. This just happened to me on my new daily driver. Previous owner put an Ebay header on and it was weak metal/shit. The flex pipe cracked in a few places, so I found myself with a loud annoying exhaust leak. Point is, no way was I wanting something that wasn't high quality. For me, stock parts to replace were $1500. After market performance, high quality parts, $500. No brainer. So that puts me middle range price wise, to what is being asked. But I would have paid more for the right part. I would say, have a good range, but only carry something that is quality. It's a headache for you down the road if it fails. If the comapny that made my head was still in business, I would be all over them on this piece of shit hunk of metal. Quality always wins the arguement. Edited December 9, 2010 by Mojoe was suppose to say "wasn't" High quality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedfocus1647545489 Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Jeff, I just called you on this last week. This just happened to me on my new daily driver. Previous owner put an Ebay header on and it was weak metal/shit. The flex pipe cracked in a few places, so I found myself with a loud annoying exhaust leak. Point is, no way was I wanting something that was high quality. For me, stock parts to replace were $1500. After market performance, high quality parts, $500. No brainer. So that puts me middle range price wise, to what is being asked. But I would have paid more for the right part. I would say, have a good range, but only carry something that is quality. It's a headache for you down the road if it fails. If the comapny that made my head was still in business, I would be all over them on this piece of shit hunk of metal. Quality always wins the arguement. Agree. I'd rather have good quality parts made of lower end materials than questionable quality parts made of "better" materials. If I really need the better materials I just need to save more or bust out the Credit Card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 If they're both cheap parts, at least the stainless steel one wont rust away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prettyprix Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 I have the pacesetters on one of my grand prixs. They've been on there for over a year and seem to be holding up fine, but still that's not very long. Didn't really have any fit issues. There wasn't a port for the EGR, if i wanted to use it, and I had to re-locate the O2 sensor which presented some problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Agree. I'd rather have good quality parts made of lower end materials than questionable quality parts made of "better" materials. If I really need the better materials I just need to save more or bust out the Credit Card. Please see my edit. I only wanted a high quality part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbotrio Posted December 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 why not both? Basically because we are trying to stream-line our inventory better. I would rather have the absolute best price on Kooks because we place $25k orders instead of saying we do "OK" on Kooks because we also have $5k of American Racing in stock and $5k of Stainless Works etc etc. Same thing here. Pace Setter wants $10k for stocking inventory and I don't want to do that as well as whatever OBX or whoever else wants and then be stuck "Pushing" one or the other based entirely on what we have on the shelf instead of what may or may not be better. I would ideally like to stock one expensive/higher-quality line and one cheaper/lower-quality line to fit different peoples budgets. Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmuckingham Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 Basically because we are trying to stream-line our inventory better. I would rather have the absolute best price on Kooks because we place $25k orders instead of saying we do "OK" on Kooks because we also have $5k of American Racing in stock and $5k of Stainless Works etc etc. Same thing here. Pace Setter wants $10k for stocking inventory and I don't want to do that as well as whatever OBX or whoever else wants and then be stuck "Pushing" one or the other based entirely on what we have on the shelf instead of what may or may not be better. I would ideally like to stock one expensive/higher-quality line and one cheaper/lower-quality line to fit different peoples budgets. Jeff kooks:mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cordell Posted December 9, 2010 Report Share Posted December 9, 2010 I've had black painted pacesetters for 3-4 years and there's barely surface rust on them, they fit great and work well, obviously I'd vote for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transamatt99 Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 I have Kooks on the FI camaro and they are holding up very well being stainless. I have pacesetters on my trans am because they are a tad smaller and 1/3 the price. They dont look near as good and came ceramic coated and it wore off the collectors within a couple months. They dont look as nice but for a car that is a DD go with the Made in USA pacesetters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AudiOn19s Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 For the cheaper alternative I think you'd have less headaches going with the unit that's made out of a cheaper material but still has good fit. Nothing worse than parts that don't quite fit correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickey4271647545519 Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 +1 for pacesetter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbotrio Posted December 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 +1 for pacesetter. Good, I was leaning the right direction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bam Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 I would say screw stainless and go with the mild steel if its made/fits better. I highly doubt people would either A) Drive the car enough, or B) Own the car long enough w/out changing parts or selling it, to see a mild steel header rust out on them. I'd much rather prefer less of a headache on install than having a new shiny piece under the hood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
35RFTW Posted December 10, 2010 Report Share Posted December 10, 2010 I vote OBX. Their quality over the years has increased quite a bite. However I am not so sure how much produce line they have for the domestics though. Same could be said about Pacesetter for imports. Either way, OBX's product line is very diverse in what they offer. If it not just exhaust headers/catbacks. They have coilovers, intakes, shifters, ect. Just about anything you can think of. So for diversity OBX still wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neonkiller Posted December 11, 2010 Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 The VW rocks a $100 intercooler, I look at functionality. Take on 3 performance kits for example... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Jones Posted December 11, 2010 Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 The VW rocks a $100 intercooler, I look at functionality. +1 Function > Form. ANY.DAY Doesn't have to be pretty and have a GREEDY sticker on it to make POWAZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolved8 Posted December 11, 2010 Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 Jeff you should pm me so we can get something in the works for the 55k Headers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave1647545494 Posted December 11, 2010 Report Share Posted December 11, 2010 pacesetter. obx is junk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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