wagner Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Teachers obviously didn't help you much in the spelling department. :lolguy: Teachers deserve credit for what they do. The kids are our future and all those other cliche's, but they don't need more than what they actually deserve. Yeah I was trying to tripple multi-task and failed. I am not the best at spelling anyway for some reason. It is funny about the whole payment thing for teachers, most who say that would not last in the classroom. I did not get into education because I can't deal with the parrents. I have always enjoyed coaching and training people in things, but dealing with parrents is to much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 But the point is, you don't have to know shit about math to be a math teacher. I understand this and agree with you. Look at Japan their teachers are well respected just like if you were a doctor. Look at the average testing scores of students in Japan. Much higher then the average of American students. It baffles my mind why the rest of America doesn't want to be better then Japan. The future of our country depends on the children of today. It doesn't all fall on the teachers back, parents as well need to be involved in educating their children. Once this changes we will all be better off. Cliffs Make it harder to become a teacher and pay them more for it, respect teachers because of this, and be involved in teaching your children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverMaker Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I love how people just throw teachers under the bus like they are a food service worker or cashier at Lowe's. Asshole kids have asshole parrents. When mom and dad don't care not even Marry Fuckin Poppins could help the kids. Parrents treat school as a baby sitting service while they are at work or sitting at home collecting welfare. Then to top it off you have the parrents who bitch when there is "to much homework" or "school is to hard' The state of parenting at my wife's school: For parent-teacher conferences the parents got to schedule their time slot. 25 parents made appointments. (which is horrendous considering how many could have.) Guess how many actually showed up (keep in mind the parents scheduled this)? Less than 25% How sad is that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 The state of parenting at my wife's school: For parent-teacher conferences the parents got to schedule their time slot. 25 parents made appointments. (which is horrendous considering how many could have.) Guess how many actually showed up (keep in mind the parents scheduled this)? Less than 25% How sad is that. How about the mother who lit up a smoke in my mom's office and told her to "fuck off" after my mom asked to to put it out. The mother than blamed the school for her daughter sneaking out and getting knocked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeverMaker Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 We need to start a site with bad parenting stories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 How about the mother who lit up a smoke in my mom's office and told her to "fuck off" after my mom asked to to put it out. The mother than blamed the school for her daughter sneaking out and getting knocked up. Some people don't deserve to create offspring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Well I have other theories/believes on why Japan/other countries do better on test scores and just have a better education system than the US overall. I have personal experience here because I've been in the American school system, and I've been in the ROTW school system for the majority of it. 1. The American attitude is the biggest problem. 1st thing I noticed when moving here was that kids are fucking rude, have no respect for adults and have no god damn manners. 2. Kids have too much freedom here. It starts with having no uniform, no rules on haircuts and personal appearance in general and ends at not having a good way of disciplining kids. 3. Extra credit is something that was new to me, it's a joke and easy way to pass a class. Before I moved here, you pass based purely on test scores. Homework doesn't count towards your grade, it's a tool for you to learn, not a way to accumulate points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Well I have other theories/believes on why Japan/other countries do better on test scores and just have a better education system than the US overall. I have personal experience here because I've been in the American school system, and I've been in the ROTW school system for the majority of it. 1. The American attitude is the biggest problem. 1st thing I noticed when moving here was that kids are fucking rude, have no respect for adults and have no god damn manners. 2. Kids have too much freedom here. It starts with having no uniform, no rules on haircuts and personal appearance in general and ends at not having a good way of disciplining kids. 3. Extra credit is something that was new to me, it's a joke and easy way to pass a class. Before I moved here, you pass based purely on test scores. Homework doesn't count towards your grade, it's a tool for you to learn, not a way to accumulate points. Nail on head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Well I have other theories/believes on why Japan/other countries do better on test scores and just have a better education system than the US overall. I have personal experience here because I've been in the American school system, and I've been in the ROTW school system for the majority of it. 1. The American attitude is the biggest problem. 1st thing I noticed when moving here was that kids are fucking rude, have no respect for adults and have no god damn manners. 2. Kids have too much freedom here. It starts with having no uniform, no rules on haircuts and personal appearance in general and ends at not having a good way of disciplining kids. 3. Extra credit is something that was new to me, it's a joke and easy way to pass a class. Before I moved here, you pass based purely on test scores. Homework doesn't count towards your grade, it's a tool for you to learn, not a way to accumulate points. Yes yes and yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Pomade Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 I go to work, make money and pay taxes. /discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Well I have other theories/believes on why Japan/other countries do better on test scores and just have a better education system than the US overall. I have personal experience here because I've been in the American school system, and I've been in the ROTW school system for the majority of it. 1. The American attitude is the biggest problem. 1st thing I noticed when moving here was that kids are fucking rude, have no respect for adults and have no god damn manners. 2. Kids have too much freedom here. It starts with having no uniform, no rules on haircuts and personal appearance in general and ends at not having a good way of disciplining kids. 3. Extra credit is something that was new to me, it's a joke and easy way to pass a class. Before I moved here, you pass based purely on test scores. Homework doesn't count towards your grade, it's a tool for you to learn, not a way to accumulate points. Kickass for president Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWW$HEEET Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Well I have other theories/believes on why Japan/other countries do better on test scores and just have a better education system than the US overall. I have personal experience here because I've been in the American school system, and I've been in the ROTW school system for the majority of it. 1. The American attitude is the biggest problem. 1st thing I noticed when moving here was that kids are fucking rude, have no respect for adults and have no god damn manners. 2. Kids have too much freedom here. It starts with having no uniform, no rules on haircuts and personal appearance in general and ends at not having a good way of disciplining kids. 3. Extra credit is something that was new to me, it's a joke and easy way to pass a class. Before I moved here, you pass based purely on test scores. Homework doesn't count towards your grade, it's a tool for you to learn, not a way to accumulate points. go back home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigOxley Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 the military doesn't pay for any health insurance or pay into their retirement. :gabe: p.s. i'm in the national guard and just got back from iraq in august Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Kickass for president As your Government teacher failed to point out to you, not being a born US citizen I am unable to become president :fa: go back home Y U MAD HOE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Beast Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 My mother-in-law has her doctorate in education and 40 years under her belt. She feels many teachers dont deserve to make anything more than minimum wage. Thats bad when the person they hire to teach the teachers says what she observes in real life coaching environments on a daily basis is horrible (these views ate limited to the central Ohio to Athens area). No control, no grasp on the information they are teaching, not caring, poor organization, skipping important lesson plans, leaving kids behind that have trouble, sending home work that should be done in the class, etc. Etc. Etc. Etc.. Its hard to be pro teacher when teachers are not even pro teacher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigOxley Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 My mother-in-law has her doctorate in education and 40 years under her belt. She feels many teachers dont deserve to make anything more than minimum wage. Thats bad when the person they hire to teach the teachers says what she observes in real life coaching environments on a daily basis is horrible (these views ate limited to the central Ohio to Athens area). No control, no grasp on the information they are teaching, not caring, poor organization, skipping important lesson plans, leaving kids behind that have trouble, sending home work that should be done in the class, etc. Etc. Etc. Etc.. Its hard to be pro teacher when teachers are not even pro teacher. how much does she make a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewhop Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 As your Government teacher failed to point out to you, not being a born US citizen I am unable to become president :fa: Y U MAD HOE? No fail from the teacher. I knew you had been to africa but I thought you were born here. So it was less fail on teacher and more fail on me not e-stalking you enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRed05 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 No fail from the teacher. I knew you had been to africa but I thought you were born here. So it was less fail on teacher and more fail on me not e-stalking you enough. Just joking brah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex L. Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 As your Government teacher failed to point out to you, not being a born US citizen I am unable to become president :fa: But Obama's president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airwg2189 Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 That took too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryBMW Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Well I have other theories/believes on why Japan/other countries do better on test scores and just have a better education system than the US overall. I have personal experience here because I've been in the American school system, and I've been in the ROTW school system for the majority of it. 1. The American attitude is the biggest problem. 1st thing I noticed when moving here was that kids are fucking rude, have no respect for adults and have no god damn manners. 2. Kids have too much freedom here. It starts with having no uniform, no rules on haircuts and personal appearance in general and ends at not having a good way of disciplining kids. 3. Extra credit is something that was new to me, it's a joke and easy way to pass a class. Before I moved here, you pass based purely on test scores. Homework doesn't count towards your grade, it's a tool for you to learn, not a way to accumulate points. Chris and I graduated from the same high school. At the end of my senior year, the highest paid 'educator' in our district was our librarian...err...media specialist. Seriously, the man insisted on being called a media specialist. His job duties entailed yelling at kids for chewing gum in the library and checking people's bags before leaving to make sure no one was stealing books. He had media center helpers to actually check in/out books, catalogue the inventory and to help other students with their research. From our areas weekly newspaper, he was making $92-105k per year. His salary was based off of his education. He had something like 4 bachelor degrees, 1 masters, and a doctorate of library science. I'm sure he had plenty of time to study for these degrees while he was on payroll at OHS. This absolutely disgusted me. Also, if I remember correctly, the average starting salary for a teacher in Olentangy is well into the 40's per year. Not bad fresh out of college with a bachelors degree. -Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted November 2, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 Chris and I graduated from the same high school. At the end of my senior year, the highest paid 'educator' in our district was our librarian...err...media specialist. Seriously, the man insisted on being called a media specialist. His job duties entailed yelling at kids for chewing gum in the library and checking people's bags before leaving to make sure no one was stealing books. He had media center helpers to actually check in/out books, catalogue the inventory and to help other students with their research. From our areas weekly newspaper, he was making $92-105k per year. His salary was based off of his education. He had something like 4 bachelor degrees, 1 masters, and a doctorate of library science. I'm sure he had plenty of time to study for these degrees while he was on payroll at OHS. This absolutely disgusted me. Also, if I remember correctly, the average starting salary for a teacher in Olentangy is well into the 40's per year. Not bad fresh out of college with a bachelors degree. -Marc 92-105k for 9mos of work. That's not likely where he/she ended either but figure 60% of that for retirement after 30 years. How about all the district level execs making well into the mid 150-200k mark and then retiring and getting another job too. Yeah, I feel bad for them. Tell me our fucking schools need another levy passed. :finger: I'll never vote for one. To see people voluntarily giving up our money to fund extremely broken & mismanaged systems is beyond me. How about we demand them to fix the fucking root cause of these issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V8 Beast Posted November 2, 2011 Report Share Posted November 2, 2011 how much does she make a year? I remember her saying somewhere in the $40k area for her line of work... and thats for someone that taught as a professor at OU for a while. Its definitley not the kind of job for people that want to be rich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpaceGhost Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 I work for the state, and I think I am going to vote yes on issue 2, if it passes, and my job decides to get a union (and it's been talked about), I cannot be forced to join and pay the union. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyFKINPowerz Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 My wife is a State employee and I see both sides of the argument. She complains every single day about how many of her co-workers dont have a clue what they are doing and how so many of them take tons of time off and dont do their jobs when they are there. I als see how little she gets paid, how many cuts she has had to take in the last several years in an effort to balance the state budget and what not. The only saving grace are her benefits even though she gets over 400 a pay taken out for her benefits. Our insurance through her is probably 200 a month cheaper than if I were to get insurance through my employer. I have watched her not get any raises or promotions in the last several years as well. She does the work of 5 people and gets no extras in return for the additional work that she does. They have actually taken way more than they have given and now they want to take more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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