SRTurbo04 Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 reason 2367234874920 why Cash in HAND in PERSON or buying from a known company is worth the extra bucks . hope it works out bud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted February 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 does anyone happen to have 15 windowed pmags in package they could toss in a box and weigh for me? and maybe check what size box would be required to fit 15 mags in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unfunnyryan Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 google says a windowed pmag is 5.7oz 15*5.7/16 = 5.34lbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted February 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Here is your man: (only pic i could find) http://m3.licdn.com/mpr/pub/image-9NvBb_9Z0zNzO2DUH2iHSXLoBVkhvRXGKZpKFWpPBoi2vZbb9NvKFPNZByFTBpKGqYY6/john-palmer.jpg He is the Sr. Product Manager at GE Transportation 2901 East Lake Road Erie, PA 16531 (814) 875-2234 His residence 4011 Greenway Dr Erie, PA 16506-4061 Home (814) 833-6908 neither of these addresses are the listed return address on the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustlestiltskin Posted February 15, 2013 Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 Just weigh 1 then multiply it and weigh box. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted February 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2013 google says a windowed pmag is 5.7oz 15*5.7/16 = 5.34lbs thank you, box and packing paper wouldnt even register on my scale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillbot Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 please explain. Are you saying that i need to file a dispute with paypal before trying a chargeback? How long does that take? How long do i have to do a charge back? Basically, you file the paypal claim and hope they can pull money from the seller and return it to you. If they decline and you file a charge back against Paypal with your CC company, Paypal will close your account with a negative balance and report you to collections. Basically, if you value your credit, don't do a CC chargeback against paypal if they side with the seller. I'd file a "Significantly not as described" dispute with paypal and immediately escalate it to a claim ASAP. You are in a tough spot, however, since you have to show proof (link to thread etc) of what you bought and Paypal is notoriously anti-gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fast5gp Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Basically, you file the paypal claim and hope they can pull money from the seller and return it to you. If they decline and you file a charge back against Paypal with your CC company, Paypal will close your account with a negative balance and report you to collections. Basically, if you value your credit, don't do a CC chargeback against paypal if they side with the seller. I'd file a "Significantly not as described" dispute with paypal and immediately escalate it to a claim ASAP. You are in a tough spot, however, since you have to show proof (link to thread etc) of what you bought and Paypal is notoriously anti-gun. Paypal can send you to collections, but it usually won't affect your credit. If your credit card sides with you, Paypal has no grounds to stand on. They will send you to collections and even if that gets reported to the credit bureau, it can be easily disputed since paypal only have your name and address, plus you have your credit card dispute as evidence that you do no owe paypal any money. I don't know how it works if you gave paypal your SSN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankis Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Between some recent bad experiences on ebay, and now hearing about some of these paypal policies, I really start to hate both companies more and more. They are both under the same corporation if I recall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffro Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 neither of these addresses are the listed return address on the box. Further proving to you this guy is out to fuck you. Con artists are good at making shit up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjxlr8 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Keep in mind that you are allowed to purchase gun magazines with PayPal. Anything that is allowed on eBay is allowed on PayPal since they are the same company. They don't need to know the magazine capacity. Did you pay for insurance on the package? If so, the seller needs to start pursuing that route(file a claim with the shipper) since the mags he shipped were stolen in route. You should be working through PayPal at the same time in case the seller was not honest (unlikely from a guy with 60+ feedbacks and 720 post count on the forum). If you get your money back through PayPal from the seller, the seller will be forced to get his money through the insurance that you paid for. If you didn't pay for insurance...shame on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted February 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Keep in mind that you are allowed to purchase gun magazines with PayPal. Anything that is allowed on eBay is allowed on PayPal since they are the same company. They don't need to know the magazine capacity. Did you pay for insurance on the package? If so, the seller needs to start pursuing that route(file a claim with the shipper) since the mags he shipped were stolen in route. You should be working through PayPal at the same time in case the seller was not honest (unlikely from a guy with 60+ feedbacks and 720 post count on the forum). If you get your money back through PayPal from the seller, the seller will be forced to get his money through the insurance that you paid for. If you didn't pay for insurance...shame on you. I paid an extra 5 for insurance and 4% to cover pp fees. I was told fedex (by local fedex agent today) they do not sell insurance just collect stated value. He told me he put down 400$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted February 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 updated first post with email transcript. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fast5gp Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I paid an extra 5 for insurance and 4% to cover pp fees. I was told fedex (by local fedex agent today) they do not sell insurance just collect stated value. He told me he put down 400$. I always ship my items insured even if the buyer doesn't want it. Ultimately, it goes back on the seller if the the package doesn't get to the buyer or gets damaged in shipping. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted February 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I always ship my items insured even if the buyer doesn't want it. Ultimately, it goes back on the seller if the the package doesn't get to the buyer or gets damaged in shipping. This is what i thought. I always ship insured. I would have to think if i was trying to rip the guy off i wouldnt have used anti-gun paypal. Especially on a site that wants to use certified check or money order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillbot Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Paypal can send you to collections, but it usually won't affect your credit. If your credit card sides with you, Paypal has no grounds to stand on. They will send you to collections and even if that gets reported to the credit bureau, it can be easily disputed since paypal only have your name and address, plus you have your credit card dispute as evidence that you do no owe paypal any money. I don't know how it works if you gave paypal your SSN. It has less to do with the "right or wrong" of it, and more to do with the hassle of getting it off your report. I've known a few that had to deal with the hassles. You get it taken off, they get it back on, etc. Read their TOS for more info. You are basically agreeing to be bent over by them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2pointslow Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Never trust someone with an AOL email. Ramsey, any updates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjxlr8 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 I think you will probably get your money back from FedEx. Sounds like the seller just needs to file the claim. It will probably take a while, though, but at least the seller is responding. Doesn't seem like he's trying to rip you off. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
street pilot Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 If he actually insured it for $400 he should be able to walk into the shipping center and start an insurance claim. I would get the contact information of the shipping hub and speak with them directly so you can monitor the progress. Have the seller provide the FedEx claim number to you after he starts it. Leave the bottles and box untouched in case anyone wants to see it. Sounds to me like he shipped the bottles, it would take a lot of magazines to weigh 7 pounds?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsey Posted February 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Never trust someone with an AOL email. Ramsey, any updates? not really, im trying to answer every question on ar15. i joined this month and had like 2 post before this went down. i dont look good over there. Someone has done to web research on me and it seemed like i checked out. They also wanted the pic data and it matched. I gave them all my usernames to check-out. I have a decent online history of 100% good deals. I think you will probably get your money back from FedEx. Sounds like the seller just needs to file the claim. It will probably take a while, though, but at least the seller is responding. Doesn't seem like he's trying to rip you off. Good luck! he only stated the value at 400 which he has to prove, and fedex only insures if the package doesnt make it to the destination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Paypal can send you to collections, but it usually won't affect your credit. If your credit card sides with you, Paypal has no grounds to stand on. They will send you to collections and even if that gets reported to the credit bureau, it can be easily disputed since paypal only have your name and address, plus you have your credit card dispute as evidence that you do no owe paypal any money. I don't know how it works if you gave paypal your SSN. This. They sent me to collections. I told them to validate the debt and sent them a cease and desist. Never showed up on my credit and I never heard from them again. I am banned from PayPal though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillbot Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 This. They sent me to collections. I told them to validate the debt and sent them a cease and desist. Never showed up on my credit and I never heard from them again. I am banned from PayPal though. more info on this process so i can pass it on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJ Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 more info on this process so i can pass it on? http://www.creditinfocenter.com/rebuild/debt_validation.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillbot Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 http://www.creditinfocenter.com/rebuild/debt_validation.shtml TY! Good read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjjxlr8 Posted February 16, 2013 Report Share Posted February 16, 2013 Hmmm... wonder what substances are readily available at most FedEx hubs...maybe road salt this time of year! Workers decide to check out some packages and then substitute their empty beverage containers filled up with the road salt sitting in the corner... who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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