cybe Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Bought a thousand 9mm on recommendation from just about everyone - I usually press my own, but I'm in the middle of relocating. Anyway, I caught four rounds in various states of shrinkage today, following failures to eject or feed: http://i.imgur.com/dO9JGIj.jpg And I'm pretty salty about it. Shits dangerous. They were the proper size when I loaded then into the mags, so this is happening during recoil. Unacceptable. Sorry for image size, on mobile. ymmv.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 I'd definitely contact them and send them images along with what order they came from. Could be related to specific batches. So far what I've bought from them have fired good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radio Flyer1647545514 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Just placed an order with them for 9mm. I'll be paying attention to my 9mm on my next range day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRocket1647545505 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Somebody needs to turn their crimp die in a half turn. That's sucks. You weren't clambering the same round over and over again, were you? They will do that as well if they're crimped lightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stangsn95gt Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Wait, so are you saying this happened under recoil while in the mag or while chambering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychoticGaming Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) Recently had a similar issue with American Eagle 556... Recrimped all of them, avg an extra .003 crimp. http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/25/164dd96d88f0f50300ea8bd8bf5fc174.jpg Edited January 25, 2015 by PsychoticGaming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 It does suck. I've very interested in what they say when you contact them. I've had the same thing happen with winchester .308, and I use it as an example in classes. This is the first I have seen of any type of fail from them. Please update us soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillbot Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 I'd definitely contact them and send them images along with what order they came from. Could be related to specific batches. So far what I've bought from them have fired good. I'm a little nervous since I just bought 500 rounds of 40 and 500 of their 9. Go read their reviews lately and you'll see they are getting trashed a lot recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiek2000 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Looks like they expanded them too far and then didnt re-crimp far enough. Either that or the bullet they got are a cunt hair too small. OP, do you have a set of calipers to measure the bullet with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowridns1020 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Yea, hard to tell from the picture but I can usually see the slightest discoloring where the crimp is made. Wonder how many more they have floating around out there? I would think they will be recalling a batch soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybe Posted January 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Wait, so are you saying this happened under recoil while in the mag or while chambering? Under recoil while in the mag, none of the bad rounds I captured had been chambered. Discovered this one after a failure to eject* and put it in my pocket, started paying closer attention. I'd release the mag early or stop on an FTE* and find a short round, set aside the remainder of the box and switch to another. Figure I couldn't have caught every one, must have been gambling all along. After the 4th one I packed up and went home. They'll be hearing from me. Shouldn't have to recrimp manufactured ammo. * (probably not the ammo's fault there, I've got a barrel swap and the extractor isn't right for 9mm) Edit: yep I can pull the bullet and put it on calipers. They make/sell the bullets they use too and I use them extensively without issue. I bought these loaded rounds just for convenience while my press is down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurkvinny Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Eager to hear results of communication also. I'm probably in the 5000 round range from this company with no issues ever. BTW, were these reloads or new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stangsn95gt Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Under recoil while in the mag, none of the bad rounds I captured had been chambered. Discovered this one after a failure to eject* and put it in my pocket, started paying closer attention. I'd release the mag early or stop on an FTE* and find a short round, set aside the remainder of the box and switch to another. Figure I couldn't have caught every one, must have been gambling all along. After the 4th one I packed up and went home. They'll be hearing from me. Shouldn't have to recrimp manufactured ammo. * (probably not the ammo's fault there, I've got a barrel swap and the extractor isn't right for 9mm) Edit: yep I can pull the bullet and put it on calipers. They make/sell the bullets they use too and I use them extensively without issue. I bought these loaded rounds just for convenience while my press is down Wow, I've heard of this after chambering a round too many times but never from recoil while in a mag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybe Posted January 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 http://i.imgur.com/CwcPdXX.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillbot Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Same stuff I ordered. F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87GT Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I have some 9MM and .380acp I ordered many months ago and I haven't used it. I don't even know now if I want to risk any of it. What is the worst that could happen if these went off in the chamber? Lose a finger and destroy your firearm? I haven't had any problems with their .223 and 5.56 rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unfunnyryan Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I'd give them a call...obviously QC isn't doing its job right now. You'd get a lot of free ammo out of it I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I'm thinking it's a bad lot, and they will make right on it. Cube, I hope you were on the phone with them first thing this morning. Please update when you can. I have shot quite a bit of there ammo and order from them often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybe Posted January 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 My order shipped 12/18, so maybe I got the seasonal workers I sent 'em an email with the photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I would do a phone call also. Get a name of someone reading your email and talk to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybe Posted January 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 In the interest of full disclosure, admitting when you're wrong, and continuous learning; TL;DR totally not Freedom's fault. Here's what's up. The pistol in question has a .40 Slide, and I use a swapped in 9mm barrell/mags. The extractor sits just-ever-so-fuckin'-slightly higher and further out as a result. When it's pulling a spent casing, it sometimes tips down just enough to catch the rim of the next one in the mag, popping the extractor off the case. Slide continues to cycle, snags the top round in the mag and slams it into the bottom of the feed ramp. Type-3 malfunction / doublefeed. My fix - extra power extractor spring and minor adjustment to the mag lips. Freedom apologized when they wrote back and asked how many rounds were affected, probably preparing to ship me new boxes. I declined. Good service, fine ammo. My bad. I was just wrong. This doesn't happen with my own loads because I load 147gr (less agressive ogive), and heavier crimp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurkvinny Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Thanks for the update man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojoe Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Since the fix/ adjustment, have you had the same issue, or did that simple fix it? Sucks being a bit at fault. But, I appreciate the forwardness and exact details. That is a pretty unique situation that not many would run into. I would have to think its good info for Freedom Munitions as well. Thanks for the update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybe Posted January 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 (edited) Parts on the way. Found information on the BrianEnos forum and many folks run the same rig as me have been down that road before Somebody else's photo, note the round in the mag: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/RCharlesS/20141213_145529_zps4aa08d2c.jpg Edited January 28, 2015 by cybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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