caseyctsv Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 I read that a rescue helicopter dispatched to look for the pilots by Russia was shot down by rebels with a US-made TOW missile. I have not seen that on a "reputable" site yet though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeto67 Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 So because you and I don't see it, that means it's not being done? And you really think Geneva convention countries aren't slaughtering civilians? Of course they are. Wars are won through civilian casualties. When did we drop nukes on Japan? 1945? How many people died? 90k-160k in Hiro and 39k-80k in Nag just on the first day? What percentage of those were civilian? When were the Geneva agreements made? 1949. Then the US was all like, "OK, we got our good lick in, so lets hurry up and make an agreement where no one can do that again. Glad we got ours in beforehand though." Wars are won through civilian casualties. Period. POW's...let them live to fight and kill you another day. I think you need to sit down and read the actual measures, or at least the wikipedia entries on it and Jus In Bello because you seem to be making some very incorrect blanket statements. Treaties on war are as old as war itself. They are often reactive rather than pro-active as nothing drives new technology like war itself. Humanity had to fight an awful bloddy "World War" with chemical weapons that wiped out the majority of Europe's population before banning chemical weapons was even considered (and then it took years). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_war They are not outright prohibitions on civilian casualties. I don't think you can have something like that in the theater of war. There are however provisions that deal with Genocide, red cross, doctors, etc... War is won through attrition, that is completely true. And Civilian Casualties are absolutely a part of attrition. And I don't really think there is an expectation of 100% compliance with these treaties for minor incidents - it's a conflict and shit happens, however if you do it a lot or make a policy out of it, the enforcing nations gang up on you and imprison and execute your offending officers and soldiers. I think you would be surprised at how much actually gets followed in conflicts between adhering nations, and how much muscle is flexed post conflict for nations outside the treaties where atrocities happened (Rwanda, Croatia, Serbia, etc....). Again, the treaty's only real measure of power is post conflict punishment so these things happen. However, the only way to keep the enforcing nations from collectively shitting on your head as a country is to not be the next Hitler. The problem with insurgents, people without a country, rebels, whatever you want to call them is it is very hard to punish them. They don't have land you can take away, they don't have a stake in world government that would cause their politicians to hand over their war criminals. They basically have nothing to lose - so they shoot pilots down under canopy, wipe out villages full of civilians for no military advantage, and basically do bad guy stuff. But if Germany started doing that stuff again..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 I read that a rescue helicopter dispatched to look for the pilots by Russia was shot down by rebels with a US-made TOW missile. I have not seen that on a "reputable" site yet though. I'm reading that it wasn't "shot down" so much as it was hit with a TOW while landed...not sure what it was on the ground for. Hitting a helicopter in the air with a TOW would take a fairly skilled operator. Not that it can't be done, just would be a damn good shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caseyctsv Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 I'm reading that it wasn't "shot down" so much as it was hit with a TOW while landed...not sure what it was on the ground for. Hitting a helicopter in the air with a TOW would take a fairly skilled operator. Not that it can't be done, just would be a damn good shot. Yeah the story I read said the helicopter was forced to land by a missile hit and then destroyed by a TOW missile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagner Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Red Dawn is going to become real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geeesammy Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 I mean we still use willie pete just "not against humans" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Brian Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 I mean we still use willie pete just "not against humans" "shoot the radio off that man's back" oops I missed and hit him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 This weapon is not to be used on human targets. This is meant to be fired at "equipment". Like...helmets, and backpacks, and... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Turkey was miffed that Russia was kicking ISIS's ass, so they are trying to play hard ball.. Whats even more interesting is the irony that people love to make note Reagon supplied Al Queada and now you have Obama supplying ISIS (funds and arms, indirectly and directly to "moderates"; moderates whom are now claiming this act)...Russia has been starting to grumble about this and I think the bear is angry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Alex- Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 http://youtu.be/IschF-ihjS0 Video of the helicopter being hit by the TOW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RC K9 Posted November 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Yeah the story I read said the helicopter was forced to land by a missile hit and then destroyed by a TOW missile. Dude...hop on liveleak Nd look up tow middle vids. The Syrians do some amazing things with them. Saw one dude hit a tank that backed up behind a wall. As to how he got that thing to drop at the right time, I have no idea. My brother said it was a one in a :ilkion shot. If I could fire any weapon I wanted just once...tow missile would be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
criitter7 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 http://youtu.be/IschF-ihjS0 Video of the helicopter being hit by the TOW. Is that the real video? The blades on the copter weren't moving. I would think during a rescue the last thing you do is turn off the engines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRTurbo04 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Seems appropriate for this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gillbot Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Is that the real video? The blades on the copter weren't moving. I would think during a rescue the last thing you do is turn off the engines I thought the same, looks fake, not real or staged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
criitter7 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 I thought the same, looks fake, not real or staged. Looked around some more, the video is a couple years old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mace1647545504 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 The news tonight said the russian plane crossed a 2 mile stretch of turkey arispace. SO if the jet was cruising at lets say 600mph. So at 60 mph it takes about 60 seconds to go 1 mile so to go 2 miles @ 600 mph would be about 12 seconds...really 12 seconds and the turk wan to start ww3 for 12 seconds..what idiots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/24/f885ac2d23f2d6015e0613e3b4f0594c.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fast5gp Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 The news tonight said the russian plane crossed a 2 mile stretch of turkey arispace. SO if the jet was cruising at lets say 600mph. So at 60 mph it takes about 60 seconds to go 1 mile so to go 2 miles @ 600 mph would be about 12 seconds...really 12 seconds and the turk wan to start ww3 for 12 seconds..what idiots Turkey said that they warned the jet 10x over a 5 min span. It doesn't make sense since like you said, it would only be seconds before the Russian Jet to cross that section of Turkish air space if it actually did. Turkey is fucked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TTQ B4U Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 The news tonight said the russian plane crossed a 2 mile stretch of turkey arispace. SO if the jet was cruising at lets say 600mph. So at 60 mph it takes about 60 seconds to go 1 mile so to go 2 miles @ 600 mph would be about 12 seconds...really 12 seconds and the turk wan to start ww3 for 12 seconds..what idiots ^^ basic math makes my head hurt. @ 600mph to go 2 miles, 12 seconds? more like the blink of an eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyM3rC Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Turkey said that they warned the jet 10x over a 5 min span. It doesn't make sense since like you said, it would only be seconds before the Russian Jet to cross that section of Turkish air space if it actually did. Turkey is fucked Yeah but they probably warned them in turkish, and what russians speak turkish? should have warned them in murican, cause erryone speaks that. FUCK YEAH :fuckyeah: maybe the su-25 piped the f-16, and he wasn't havin any of dat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1fast5gp Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Yeah but they probably warned them in turkish, and what russians speak turkish? should have warned them in murican, cause erryone speaks that. FUCK YEAH :fuckyeah: maybe the su-25 piped the f-16, and he wasn't havin any of dat. lol did the mig do one of these? http://www.science20.com/files/images/Top%20Gun%20Maverick%20versus%20MiG%20flipping%20the%20bird.JPG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Alex- Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Looked around some more, the video is a couple years old Sorry. Grabbed it from a friend's fb who has had plenty of legit articles and videos, assumed it was good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewtoys Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Glad I decided against going to Turkey last month for the holidays.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ImUrOBGYN Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 I thought this was a Thanksgiving message about turkeys... I'm out of here.:lurk: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
criitter7 Posted November 25, 2015 Report Share Posted November 25, 2015 Yeah but they probably warned them in turkish, and what russians speak turkish? should have warned them in murican, cause erryone speaks that. FUCK YEAH :fuckyeah: maybe the su-25 piped the f-16, and he wasn't havin any of dat. It would have been spoken in English. All pilots use English to communicate, it's the universal language for radio communication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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